What to do when you have solved the riddle?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of communicating the solution to a riddle, particularly in the context of a "Theory of Everything" (TOE). Participants explore various methods and implications of sharing their insights, as well as the philosophical underpinnings related to knowledge and understanding in mathematics and physics.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that once a riddle is solved, the method of sharing this knowledge can vary widely, from hosting a party to making grand claims about understanding a TOE.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of defining what the riddle actually is before discussing how to communicate the solution.
  • Another participant argues that the concept of knowing a TOE is complex, suggesting that in physics, "knowing" often means being "pretty darn sure," allowing for the possibility of knowing a TOE without having fully validated it through predictions.
  • A participant introduces the idea that sophisticated mathematics can be distilled into simple principles, and vice versa, highlighting a duality in understanding mathematical concepts.
  • There is a mention of the relational aspect of objects in mathematics, proposing that the existence of two objects implies a third: the relationship between them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of views on how to communicate solutions and the nature of knowledge in relation to a TOE. There is no clear consensus, as some participants challenge each other's assumptions and interpretations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to philosophical ideas and the nature of understanding, which may not be universally accepted or defined. The implications of dualities and relationships in mathematics are also presented without resolution.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the intersection of philosophy, mathematics, and physics, particularly in relation to theories of knowledge and understanding in complex systems.

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Once you have worked it out, how do you tell people?
 
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"i have solved the problem!"
 
connect said:
Once you have worked it out, how do you tell people?

First thing is 'to solve' , what the actual riddle is?
 
Really! I have too!
 
The riddle is contextualized by the forum, the theory of everything.
 
connect said:
The riddle is contextualized by the forum, the theory of everything.

You cannot possibly know a TOE, as if you did, you would have surely known that my response was intended to relay that you cannot possibly KNOW everything?..you did not know for instance that I knew the forum was relational to a conceptual Thoery Of Everything, defined by the Forum Title Heading.

You actually 'assumed' that I did not know this!..your powers of observation fail you by default! :surprise:

Quote by David Brent: Those of you who actually assume you know everything, are actually starting to annoy those of us who do? :smile:
 
Sorry for 'beating around the bush', I need help to develop the 'understanding' of this 'idea' with people, I have done considerable work but sussed the maths of it last night. Its very simple, in fact you can explain it with very basic mathematic principles.

Some of this work is from my book : In Tune With Intelligence - A Global Strategy

Its not released yet, niether is it written, I am hoping to distribute the 'understanding'.

The book is a philoshopical foundation on which to approach an 'understanding' of AI and VR. The comment above
'what the actual riddle is?'
is very interesting.

I believe that when you 'ask the question, the right way' the answer is 'revealed'.
 
what to do

connect said:
Once you have worked it out, how do you tell people?

A. Tell them you are having a party
B. Tell them you figured out T.O.E
C. Watch as they laugh
D. If you really did know it, now would be the time to prove them wrong
E. Accept Nobel Prize... become smartest physicist allive
F. Prepare a record, becasue you will be saying the same thing over and over again.
G. Have more parties.
H. You are now rich and set for life.
 
Olias said, "You cannot possibly know a TOE, as if you did, you would have surely known that my response was intended to relay that you cannot possibly KNOW everything?..."

In physics the word "know" only means "pretty darn sure". So it's possible (in physics) to "know a TOE" without having used it to predict everything.
 
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You shout, "Eureka!"

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Would anyone like to come to a party, there's one starting here?

I would like to try an experiment. I have a theory, this theory seems natural.

I believe that anyone could be led to understand it, the idea is simple.

A thought for you to consider:

Sophisticated mathematics - breaks down into - simple math principles.

Another way to look at that is:

Simple math principles - builds up into - sophisticated mathematics.


Do you notice the dualities?

If there are 2 objects there is automatically a 3 rd object, the relationship between them.

By saying there are 2 objects you are implying there is a relationship, i.e. there are '2' objects.

In the statement '2 objects' there is an invisible relationship, the underlying structure.

I say invisible because it is taken for granted (not noticed OR noticed on another level/by a subconsius aspect).

In the above statement the structure is NUMBER * OBJECT TYPE

With any dualities you are implying a 3rd object, so in real terms, a daulity is actually 3 objects.

REFLECTED INVERSION = INVERTED REFLECTION.

There are dualities everywhere...
 

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