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mbisCool
May26-09, 12:01 AM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
I need to find the laplace transform of f(t)=tcos(t).


2. Relevant equations
\int e^-^s^ttcos(t)dt



3. The attempt at a solution
I just need help on how to integrate this. I can find the answer easily using the f(t)=tcos(kt) general formula but I wish to find it directly.

Cyosis
May26-09, 07:33 AM
Use the complex form of the cosine.

mbisCool
May26-09, 01:27 PM
Thank you :)

Random Variable
May26-09, 03:10 PM
I get \mathcal{L} [tcost] = \frac {1}{2} ( \frac {1}{(i-s)^{2}} + \frac {1}{(i+s)^{2}})

Hopefully that simplifies to \frac {s^{2}-1}{(s^{2}+1)^{2}}

mbisCool
May26-09, 04:49 PM
Integration by parts also works but thanks :D

Random Variable
May26-09, 05:42 PM
Integration by parts also works but thanks :D

Even if you use the complex form of cos(t), you still have to integrate by parts (albeit it's rather simple).

\frac {1}{2} \int^{ \infty}_{0} e^{-st}t \frac {1}{2}(e^{it} + e^{-it})dt

= \frac {1}{2} \int^{ \infty}_{0} te^{(i-s)t}dt + \frac {1}{2} \int^{ \infty}_{0} te^{-(i+s)t}dt

Count Iblis
May26-09, 06:17 PM
You don't need to integrate by parts at all. Just compute the Laplace transform of cos(t). Differentiating with respect to s will then bring down a factor of minus t in the Laplace integral.

Random Variable
May26-09, 07:09 PM
You don't need to integrate by parts at all. Just compute the Laplace transform of cos(t). Differentiating with respect to s will then bring down a factor of minus t in the Laplace integral.

Cool shortcut. I've never seen it before.

\mathcal{L} [cos(t)] = \int^{ \infty}_{0} e^{-st}cos(t)dt

\frac {d}{ds} \mathcal{L} [cos(t)] = \frac {d}{ds} \int^{ \infty}_{0} e^{-st}cos(t)dt

Assuming it's okay to bring the derivative inside the integral,

= \int^{ \infty}_{0} \frac {d}{ds} e^{-st}tcos(t)dt

= -\int^{ \infty}_{0}te^{-st}cos(t)dt

= -\int^{ \infty}_{0}e^{-st}tcos(t)dt = - \mathcal{L} [tcos(t)]

Random Variable
May26-09, 07:13 PM
then it would appear that \frac {d^{2}}{ds^{2}} \mathcal{L} [cos(t)] = \mathcal{L} [t^{2}cos(t)]

Count Iblis
May26-09, 09:29 PM
Another trick: To obtain the Laplace transform of, say, sin(t)/t you can compute the Laplace transform of sin(t) and then integrate w.r.t. s from p to infinity. The Laplace transform is then a function of the parameter p. If you put p = 0, you obtain the integral of sin(t)/t from zero to infinity. What's interesing about this is that the antiderivative of sin(t)/t cannot be evaluated in closed form.

Random Variable
May27-09, 01:21 AM
Another trick: To obtain the Laplace transform of, say, sin(t)/t you can compute the Laplace transform of sin(t) and then integrate w.r.t. s from p to infinity. The Laplace transform is then a function of the parameter p. If you put p = 0, you obtain the integral of sin(t)/t from zero to infinity. What's interesing about this is that the antiderivative of sin(t)/t cannot be evaluated in closed form.

I have to see for myself.

\mathcal{L} [sin(t)] = \int^{ \infty}_{0} e^{-st}sin(t)dt

\int^{ \infty}_{p} \mathcal{L} [sin(t)] = \int^{ \infty}_{p} \int^{ \infty}_{0} e^{-st}sin(t)dtds

Changing the order of integration (which I assume is allowed),

= \int^{ \infty}_{0} \int^{ \infty}_{p} e^{-st}sin(t)dsdt

= \int^{ \infty}_{0} \frac {1}{t}e^{-pt}sin(t)dt

= \int^{ \infty}_{0} e^{-pt} \frac {sin(t)}{t}dt = \mathcal{L} [ \frac {sin(t)}{t}]

According to the table, \mathcal{L} [ \frac {sin(t)}{t}] = arctan( \frac {1}{p})

Should you then take the limit of arctan( \frac {1}{p}) as p goes to zero?

\int^{ \infty}_{0} \frac {sin(t)}{t}dt = \lim_{p \to 0} arctan( \frac {1}{p}) = \frac {\pi}{2} ?

Count Iblis
May28-09, 06:32 PM
You can derive that the Laplace transform of sin(t)/t is arctan(1/p) by integrating the Laplace transform of sin(t). If you integrate
1/(s^2+1) from p to infinity, you get pi/2 - arctan(p).