Does Vector Projection Depend on the Magnitude of Both Vectors?

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The discussion centers on the concept of vector projection, specifically whether the projection of one vector onto another depends on the magnitudes of both vectors involved. Participants explore the mathematical definitions and relationships between vector projection and the dot product, considering both scalar and vector projections.

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  • One participant questions if the projection of vector U onto vector V is equal to U cos x, where U is the magnitude of vector U and x is the angle between the two vectors, suggesting that it may not depend on the magnitude of vector V.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression for the projection of U onto V, asserting that it does not depend on the length of the vector being projected onto, and clarifies that the dot product produces a scalar, not a vector.
  • A different participant agrees that the scalar projection of U on V is correct and notes that the dot product is often represented as U*V/|V|, indicating a common usage in the context of scalar projection.
  • Another participant states that the dot product involves the magnitudes of both vectors and the cosine of the angle between them, suggesting that if the magnitude of V is 1, the dot product simplifies to U cos(x).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between vector projection and the dot product, with some agreeing that the dot product does not represent a projection, while others highlight its connection to the magnitudes of both vectors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical expressions and definitions, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the context in which these definitions apply, particularly concerning the conditions under which projections and dot products are discussed.

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Meaning of "projection"

Suppose you have two vectors, U and V.

Is it correct that the "projection" of vector U onto vector V is equal to U cos x, where U is the magnitude of vector U, and x is the angle between the two vectors? Specifically, is it correct that the projection of one vector onto another vector does not depend on the magnitude of the vector you are projecting on to?

If yes, is it also correct to say that the dot product does not represent a projection, unless you are projecting onto the unit vector?
 
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The projection of u onto v is

[tex]\begin{equation*}<br /> \begin{split}<br /> \textrm{proj}_{\mathbf v} \mathbf u &= \frac{ \left| \mathbf u \cdot \mathbf v \right| }{ \left| \mathbf v \right|^2} \, \mathbf v\\<br /> &= \frac{ \left| \mathbf u \right| \left| \mathbf v \right| \cos \theta}{ \left| \mathbf v \right|^2} \, \mathbf v<br /> \end{split}<br /> \end{equation*}[/tex]

The projection does not depend on the length of the vector projected onto.

The dot product never represents a projection, because the dot product produces a scalar (number), while projection is an operation that produces a vector. I see what you're trying to say, however -- when the vector projected onto is a unit vector, its length is 1 and "disappears" from the denominators above.

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I believe that is correct for the scalar projection of U on V. I suppose you can say that the dot product is not exactly a projection, but a lot of the time you'll see the scalar projection of U on V given as U*V/|V|, where * represents the dot product operation.
 
Or, the dot product is the product of the magnitude of the projection and the magnitude of the vector onto which the projection is made.
 
The dot produkt depends on the lengths of both vectors.
The dot produkt gives the length of the first vector times the lenth of the second vector times the cosine of the angle between them:
v1 dot v2 = Length(v1) * length(v2) * cos(angle)
so if in Zorodius question the length of V is 1 than his dot produkt gives him U cos(x)
 

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