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drizzle
Jun12-09, 02:32 AM
this may not be the right forum, but I guessed so, reading the thread posted by Rex S titled as “Can there be Artificial Consciousness and Emotion? ” reminds me of an article I read last year, it was about heart transplant, I was thinking of it a couple of weeks ago, and thought I would’ve post it here but I was doubtful about it, but seriously have a look at it, here’s the link
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-558271/Can-really-transplant-human-soul.html


it basically shows that transplant patient change their personality and start to act like the donor, taking on some of their characteristics.

[edit by Ivan: Fringe pseudoscience deleted]

my question here is;
does the consciousness [the mind] connected most to the brain or the heart?

is there any other studies done on this? and what do you guys think!

Ivan Seeking
Jun12-09, 03:09 AM
The only way to properly address this claim here is to ask if there is any reliable evidence that transplant patients take on characterstics asociated with the organ donors.

It would not be appropriate to speculate about mechanisms to account for a claim without first showing the claim to be legitimate. In other words: No theories allowed. Only anecdotal reports from respectable sources, or related studies found in published journals, are appropriate.

drizzle
Jun12-09, 10:39 AM
The only way to properly address this claim here is to ask if there is any reliable evidence that transplant patients take on characterstics asociated with the organ donors....

I'm not sure if you read it all, but the link I post has these other links [two cases];

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-558256/I-given-young-mans-heart---started-craving-beer-Kentucky-Fried-Chicken-My-daughter-said-I-walked-like-man.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-557864/Man-given-heart-suicide-victim-marries-donors-widow-kills-exactly-way.html

also from the last one;

Scientists say there are more than 70 documented cases of transplant patients having personality changes as they take on some of the characteristics of the donor.


I would also like to see if there are other cases. and Ivan Seeking, I really wanna understand this and how could the mind be attached to the heart or you could say controled by the heart holding the memories and other belongs of a person's personality..I'm sure there are studies on this and theories, won't you think so?

Ivan Seeking
Jun12-09, 12:42 PM
The daily mail is a marginal source at best. If anyone can find the documented cases indicated, feel free to post them. However, we can only address the question of evidence. Any theories will have to wait.

Moonbear
Jun15-09, 01:05 AM
1) The heart is a pump. That's it.
2) Organ donations are anonymous, so how would one know if the recipient's personality matched that of the donor?
3) Some change in personality might be expected, since recipients of transplants are saved from the brink of death, and just might choose to live their lives differently after the transplant than before.

drizzle
Jun15-09, 01:24 AM
1) The heart is a pump. That's it.
we all know that, [despite (that's it), we don't really know yet, it might be a multi
functional organ!!]

2) Organ donations are anonymous, so how would one know if the recipient's personality matched that of the donor?

did you read the previous links [the two cases]?

3) Some change in personality might be expected, since recipients of transplants are saved from the brink of death, and just might choose to live their lives differently after the transplant than before.

you mean in a way that looks like the donor's personality!?

CEL
Jul2-09, 05:18 PM
Several books and movies used this idea. Return to Me with David Duchovny and Minnie Drver tels the story of a widower that falls in love with the woman, who received his dead wife's heart.
Transplant recipients, that know those fiction stories may be influenced by them and change their personalities to match that of the donors.