What Causes Planetary Nebulae to Form?

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The discussion centers on the formation of planetary nebulae, specifically the processes involved when a white dwarf is formed and the outer layers of a star are expelled. Participants explore the mechanisms behind the cooling of outer layers during the red giant phase and the relationship between nuclear fusion processes and stellar evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the decrease in gravity or outward pressure causes the outer layers of a star to drift away and form a planetary nebula.
  • Another participant suggests that the cooling of outer layers during the red giant phase is due to their expansion.
  • There is a discussion about whether the formation of a white dwarf and the expulsion of a nebula are separate events, with some suggesting that they are linked to different states of the star.
  • One participant proposes that nuclear fusion of heavier elements produces more energy than hydrogen to helium fusion, which is necessary for the expansion into a red giant.
  • Another participant challenges this view, arguing that red giant expansion is primarily due to hydrogen fusion occurring in a shell around the helium core, rather than heavy element fusion.
  • There is mention of the conditions under which heavy element burning occurs, indicating it is limited to more massive stars.

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Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the formation of planetary nebulae and the processes involved in stellar evolution, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

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Some claims rely on assumptions about the stages of stellar evolution and the conditions required for nuclear fusion processes, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hi,
When a white dwarf is formed, why do the outer layers of gas which made it a red giant drift away to foirm a planetary nebula? Decrease gravity? Outward pressure? What exactly?
Also, when the outer layers of a star move outwards to form a red giant, why do they cool down? (hence becoming red)
 
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Hi again!

try this:

link to FUSION planetary nebulae narrative --->
http://fusedweb.pppl.gov/CPEP/Chart_Pages/5.Plasmas/Nebula/Planetary.html

link to a PN fan site --->
http://www.blackskies.com/intro.html#NEBULAE

Researcher Sun Kwok aptly named PNs "Cosmic Butterflies" for a book title. See:

link to Prof. Sun Kwok U. Calgary home page --->
http://www.iras.ucalgary.ca/~kwok/kwok.html

Thank you for starting a terrific subject.
 
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So do the white dwarf and nebula kind of occur as separate events? ie - outer layers pushed out; as the core starts to run out and emitts lots of radiation, the outer layers are pushed away? Correct? By the way, why does nuclear fusion of heavier elements (ie - helium to carbon, etc) produce more energy that hydrogen to helium fusion? (it must do to cause expansion to red giant)
 
So do the white dwarf and nebula kind of occur as separate events?
I reckon it is different activities governed by different states, since the body of a star has been dividing between inner and outer parts since its arrival on the main sequence. There is nuclear activity in the inner part (active energy production) and pure re-activity in the outer part (no active energy production, just energy transfer).

why does nuclear fusion of heavier elements...produce more energy that hydrogen to helium fusion? (it must do to cause expansion to red giant)
I don't think that is quite correct. Red giant expansion is supposed to arise because the inner temperature gets high enough for hydrogen->helium activity to run in a shell around the helium core. That is what expands the outer part and makes the star a giant.

Heavy element "burning" only occurs in stars 3 solar masses and up. The core pressures and temperatures get extremely high. But as long as the extensive outer part behaves like a convective processor of energy, the heated material rises, cools and emits mostly lower frequencies of light--the star becomes red. That finally comes to an end with too much nuclear energy production in shells getting stacked up below. BOOM!
 
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