Estimate Maximum Momentum You've Had: Physics Problem 10-1

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem from a textbook that asks participants to estimate the maximum magnitude of momentum they have ever had and to specify the reference frame for this estimation. The scope includes conceptual interpretations of momentum and reference frames, as well as the implications of the question's wording.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the typical interpretation of the question is relative to the Earth's surface, implying that this is the most relevant frame of reference for most people.
  • Another participant proposes a more abstract interpretation of "maximum" as "supremum," leading to the conclusion of infinite momentum in a non-existent reference frame, which they claim are exact solutions rather than estimates.
  • Some participants question whether the phrase "In what reference frame?" was part of the original question, suggesting it may have been intended to prompt consideration of alternative frames, such as a center-of-earth or sun-centered frame.
  • There is a reference to another problem in the textbook that raises questions about definitions and assumptions, indicating a broader theme of ambiguity in the text's questions.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the question and its intent, with no consensus on the appropriate reference frame or the meaning of "maximum." The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the wording and the potential for alternative interpretations.

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Participants highlight ambiguities in the textbook's questions, such as the lack of clarity on definitions and assumptions, which may affect how the problems are approached.

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I though you might like a light break to solve a problem probably more interesting than the author intended. This is from Physics, Classical and Modern, by Gettys, Keller, and Skove, 1989 (first?) edition. Question 10-1, page 220.

Estimate the maximum magnitude of momentum you have ever had. In what reference frame?

This is a text for a 2 or 3 semester physics survey course, so the typical reader may be unaware of some reference frames available for answering the question.
 
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Meh. Unless you want to be unreasonably nitpicky (e.g., a blowhard) it's abundantly clear that the author means the only frame of reference which matters to 99.999% of people, which is relative to the Earth's surface.
 
jimmysnyder said:
Estimate the maximum magnitude of momentum you have ever had. In what reference frame?
If I'm allowed to interpret "maximum" as "supremum", then my answers to the two questions are "[itex]\infty[/itex]" and "none":smile:. These are exact solutions, not estimates.

If I'm not allowed to do that then there is no exact solution.
 
negitron said:
Meh. Unless you want to be unreasonably nitpicky (e.g., a blowhard) it's abundantly clear that the author means the only frame of reference which matters to 99.999% of people, which is relative to the Earth's surface.
So, how many points would you take off for those students with more imagination and sense of humor than the book's authors?
A. Einstein said:
The results of Mercury's perihelion movement fills me with great satisfaction. How helpful to us is astronomy's pedantic accuracy, which I used to secretly ricidule.
 
Did the words "In what reference frame?" appear in the textbook question, or were they added by jimmysnyder? If they appeared in the question, I think that was an intentional clue to get students to think of alternatives. I very much doubt the authors intended my response in post #3, but they may well have been inviting students to consider a centre-of-earth frame or a sun-centred frame (for example).
 
DrGreg said:
Did the words "In what reference frame?" appear in the textbook question, or were they added by jimmysnyder? If they appeared in the question, I think that was an intentional clue to get students to think of alternatives. I very much doubt the authors intended my response in post #3, but they may well have been inviting students to consider a centre-of-earth frame or a sun-centred frame (for example).
In the book. Here's another, from the first chapter on units of measurement. Question 1-4, page 10.

If you were told that everything in the universe had expanded to twice its former size while you slept last night, how would you check to see if it was true? What if all clocks suddenly ran at half speed? What if the mass of everything doubled? What if all those things happened simultaneously?

"Size" is not defined in the book, so it is unclear whether the authors mean length or volume, but volume makes more sense. Also unclear is whether students are allowed to apply what they know about the stability of the atom after having read about m, s, and kg.
 
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