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GiftOfPlasma
Jul10-09, 11:52 PM
In SR, does the current become infinite when the velocity of the charge approaches c?

I'm thinking it doesn't because of the SR Lagrangian for a charged particle:
L = -\frac{m c^{2}}{\gamma} - q \phi + q \vec{v} \cdot \vec{A}
doesn't have a gamma in the qv term.

Another way of putting this is: Does the four current equal the charge times the four velocity?

Thanks for your responses.

tiny-tim
Jul11-09, 04:44 AM
Hi GiftOfPlasma! :wink:
Another way of putting this is: Does the four current equal the charge times the four velocity?

Yes. :smile:

GiftOfPlasma
Jul11-09, 07:26 AM
So the Lagrangian should be:
L = -\frac{m c^{2}}{\gamma} - q \phi + q {\gamma} \vec{v} \cdot \vec{A}

Thanks,

quZz
Jul11-09, 12:57 PM
So the Lagrangian should be:
L = -\frac{m c^{2}}{\gamma} - q \phi + q {\gamma} \vec{v} \cdot \vec{A}

No, it shouldn't. The original one is ok, but you've probably lost c somewhere. I do not know what you mean by 4-current... 4-current density? If so recall that the volume is also contracted is SR.

GiftOfPlasma
Jul11-09, 02:12 PM
Ok, I think I see what is going on, the original Lagrangian is for a charged particle.
The classical particle is always a point, so it doesn't contract.
Furthermore, the number of particles in a volume is the same in all reference frames.
The volume is contracted with respect to an observer moving relative to the volume.
So the relativistic observer sees a higher charge density and current density than a non-relativistic observer.

I found a good explanation here:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/jk1/lectures/node16.html

Thanks for the effort.