this picture first made me laugh then think ...

[Ian_Brooks]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3503/philosoraptor7.png

thoughts?

[kldickson]

It's the Philosoraptor.

[kldickson]

Though strictly speaking, that is a picture of a Deinonychus!

[Jimmy Snyder]

I see that if the world were deterministic then there could be no free will. I don't see why a probabalistic world prevents free will. Can you explain?

[junglebeast]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3503/philosoraptor7.png

thoughts?

It doesn't...proof: The Strong Free Will Theorem (www.ams.org/notices/200902/rtx090200226p.pdf)

[Chi Meson]

Is "free will" exclusive from "predetermination"? If so, and if probabilistic behavior preclude a deterministic outcome, then yes.

Edit: Seems that's what Jimmy just said.

Either way, you could argue that free will is an illusion.

[humanino]

It also made me think, maybe dinosaurs disappeared after finding out the answer to this question.

[Pupil]

I see that if the world were deterministic then there could be no free will.

Why? You're going to have to define free will before you make that assertion. Also, as a compatibilist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism_and_incompatibilism), I probably already reject your assertion.

This thread is headed for the Philosophy forums.

[humanino]

This thread is headed for the Philosophy forums.You are contributing to that.Incompatibilism is the belief that free will and determinism are logically incompatible categories.Glad to hear you hold your own beliefs, but that's not even philosophy. Just belief.

[junglebeast]

This thread is headed for the Philosophy forums.

Well, there is a physics explanation (which I linked), but apparently nobody cares about that.

[humanino]

http://www.reformergent.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jesus_and_dinosaurs_52.jpg

[ideasrule]

http://www.reformergent.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jesus_and_dinosaurs_52.jpg

It disturbs the hell out of me that this is from a child's coloring book. Considering what other lies and dirty tactics creationists use, though, I guess I can't complain much.

[physics girl phd]

http://www.reformergent.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jesus_and_dinosaurs_52.jpg

That's some really good coloring though... I like how the artist added a halo to Jesus.

[Pupil]

You are contributing to that.
Hence why I said it.


Glad to hear you hold your own beliefs, but that's not even philosophy. Just belief.

Do you know what philosophy is?

doctrine: a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school

any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation

[Math Is Hard]

It disturbs the hell out of me that this is from a child's coloring book. Considering what other lies and dirty tactics creationists use, though, I guess I can't complain much.

I don't think it's very rational to make a snap judgment of the source of the image based off one's prejudice against a group of people. Better to do a little searching first.

It appears to be a satirical piece by artist Derek Chatwood.

http://www.poprelics.com/

[BobG]

That's some really good coloring though... I like how the artist added a halo to Jesus.

I don't think a kid colored it though. A kid wouldn't have dribbled coffee all over the page.

[Chi Meson]

Well, there is a physics explanation (which I linked), but apparently nobody cares about that.

Who needs an actual answer to the question?

[humanino]

Do you know what philosophy is?"The love of knowledge/wisdom/science" as in φιλοσοφία or "philo" and "sophia".
My pick would be :
google 2 : the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
which you decided to hide

[Pupil]

"The love of knowledge/wisdom/science" as in φιλοσοφία or "philo" and "sophia".
My pick would be :
google 2 : the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
which you decided to hide

No, I skipped 2 and quoted the definitions of philosophy which directly had the keyword 'belief' in them. If not posting a definition is "hiding" that definition, then you hid results 4 to infinity from me.

EDIT: Further, even if I was hiding a definition, I gave you two other perfectly valid ones. You don't have to like them, but by them and every other definition of philosophy within this context compatibilism is a philosophy.

[Evo]

Definition of philosophy - "a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means"

Merriam Webster online

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[tribdog]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I'll bet you could if you tried.

[Flat]

I love most of the socially awkward penguins

http://seriouslulz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/socially_awkward_penguin_2.jpg

[humanino]

You don't have to like them, but by them and every other definition of philosophy within this context compatibilism is a philosophy.The two other definitions provided by wordnetweb.princeton.edu are (IMHO) not suited to describe what the "philosophy" subforum is about. You first claimed I do not know what philosophy means. I claim that the forum rules make it clear that the subforum "philosophy" is not about belief.

Besides, I merely stick to etymology.

[TheStatutoryApe]

It's the Philosoraptor.

I knew it. I got an inkling from one of your other posts but this seals the deal.

Funny also that I was just typing up a post about anon's possible involvement in ObamaJoker before coming to this thread.