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cd19
Aug24-09, 11:52 AM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Can anyone please explain to me 'informally' the definition of continuity and the conditions associated with. I can't grasp the concept. Any input would be much appreciated.


2. Relevant equations

The function f is undefined at c

The limit of does not exist as x approaches c

The value of the function and the value of the limit at c are different
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I am not sure what you are asking. Each of the above is a way that a function may NOT be continuous at c. Basically, the ideas is that if you look at the value of f(x) at points very close to c, you will get values very close to f(c). All the rest is just saying what "very close" means. Of course, if f(c) does not exist, that is impossible. If there are points, say, a, b, "very close" to x= c so that f(a) and f(b) are not very close together then that is impossible- that's what "limit does not exist" means. And, if both limit and value are different, the function is not continuous.
3. The attempt at a solution

tiny-tim
Aug24-09, 12:15 PM
Hi cd19! :smile:

Informally? …

ok, take a function f(x,y) defined on the plane.

f is continuous at the point (3,7), say, if you get the same limit no matter which path you take towards (3,7).

For example, f(x,y) = xy/(x2+y2) is not continuous at the origin …

try approaching the origin along the four paths x = 0, y = 0, x = ay, x = ayn :wink:

cd19
Aug24-09, 12:46 PM
what i'm basically asking is what in the simplest terms is continuity, the way it is explained in my maths books i find very hard to understand. thanks for the help tiny tim but i still don't understand whats happening, junior freshman so this is all new to me!

snipez90
Aug24-09, 01:29 PM
For a function f that maps real numbers to real numbers we want to know what it means for f to be continuous at c. The essence of the definition is that no matter how small a neighborhood \left(f(c) - \varepsilon, f(c) + \varepsilon\right) around f(c) (note: we take \varepsilon > 0; can you visualize this as an open interval about f(c) on the y-axis?), we can choose a sufficiently small neighborhood \left(c - \delta, c + \delta\right) around c so that for any x \in \left(c - \delta, c + \delta\right), f(x) is in \left(f(c) - \varepsilon, f(c) + \varepsilon\right).

Note that informally, the previous paragraph just says that \varepsilon is an arbitrarily small positive number that prescribes how close we want f(x) to be to f(c), and no matter how small \varepsilon is, we can always choose \delta so that if x is close enough to c, then f(x) will indeed be within the prescribed \varepsilon of f(c).

tiny-tim
Aug24-09, 01:58 PM
what i'm basically asking is what in the simplest terms is continuity, the way it is explained in my maths books i find very hard to understand. thanks for the help tiny tim but i still don't understand whats happening, junior freshman so this is all new to me!

"you get the same limit no matter which path you take" is in the simplest terms, isn't it?

what do you find difficult to understand about that? :confused:

(did you try the example i gave?)

Elucidus
Aug24-09, 07:20 PM
This example is a very rough intuitive way of looking at continuity of a real-valued function of one real variable.

Intuitive idea of continuity: A funtion f(x) is continuous at x = c if the curve y = f(x) is unbroken at (c, f(c)).

For example f(x) = x + 1 is continuous at x = -1 since y = x + 1 is a line in the plane (and is unbroken everwhere along its length).

But g(x) = (x2 - 1)/(x - 1) equals f(x) everywhere except at x = -1 where it is undefined. The graph of y = g(x) looks like y = f(x) except that it has a puncture (a hole in the graph) at (-1, 0). So the curve is broken when x = -1 and the function g(x) is discontinuous at x = -1.

Another example: Consider

h(x) = \left\{ {\begin{array}{cc}
0 & x < -1 \\
x^2 & -1 \leq x \leq 0 \\
\ln(x)+1 & 0 < x < 1 \\
\frac{1}{x} & x \geq 1 \end{array}}

Investigating the graph of y = h(x) you should discover that h is discontinuous at x = -1 and 0, but is continuos at x = 1.

I will mention in caution that this sense of "unbrokenness" is only an intuitive aid. There are functions that are continuous at certain points but not unbroken, but these functions are usually edge cases and rarely show up in day-to-day work.

Technically a function f(x) is continuous at x = c if all of the following three things are true:

(1) \lim_{x \rightarrow c} f(x) exists.

(2) f(c) is defined.

(3) and \lim_{x \rightarrow c}f(x) = f(c).

--Elucidus

mg0stisha
Aug24-09, 07:42 PM
The easiest way I've ever heard it is that a function is continuous if you can draw it's graph without lifting your pencil.

VietDao29
Aug24-09, 10:29 PM
"you get the same limit no matter which path you take" is in the simplest terms, isn't it?

what do you find difficult to understand about that? :confused:

(did you try the example i gave?)

Maybe he's asking about one-variable function. Junior freshman hasn't covered multi-variable yet, so your example is a little bit over his head, methinks. :)

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@OP: You can have a look here (http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/CalcOneDIRECTORY/preciselimdirectory/PreciseLimit.html) to get a closer view about epsilon-delta definition of limit. Roughly speaking, if you have: \lim_{x \rightarrow \alpha} f(x) = L, it means, no matter how "close" you want the value of f(x) and L to be (i.e \forall \epsilon > 0, |f(x) - L| < \epsilon), there always exists a neighbor of \alpha (the region arround \alpha) \alpha excluded (i.e \exists \delta > 0, 0 < |x - \alpha| < \delta), on which region, the value of f(x) is that "close" to L, i.e:
\forall \epsilon > 0, \exists \delta > 0 : 0 < |x - \alpha| < \delta \Rightarrow |f(x) - L| < \epsilon.


The definition of the continuity of a function is somewhat similar to the above idea. f is continuous at x0 iff the limit of f as x tends to x0 is f(x0), i.e f will tend to f(x0) as x tends to x0.

mg0stisha
Aug24-09, 10:58 PM
In addition to VietDao29's post, here's a video tutorial on continuity (There's also other video tutorials for all limits and derivatives. They're extremely good.)

http://www.calculus-help.com/funstuff/tutorials/limits/limit05.html

tiny-tim
Aug25-09, 04:32 AM
Hi VietDao29! :smile:
Maybe he's asking about one-variable function. Junior freshman hasn't covered multi-variable yet, so your example is a little bit over his head, methinks. :)

ah … good point … I didn't think of that. :redface:

in that case, i'd go with mg0stisha's :smile: idea …
The easiest way I've ever heard it is that a function is continuous if you can draw it's graph without lifting your pencil.