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Denizens:
Please post what you had for supper tonight. Or will have.
If you live in some time zone where you have not had supper yet or already had supper, please WAIT until you have actually eaten and then post what you had, not what you PLAN to have.
Please do this for 3 days...Today, Thursday and Friday.
On SATURDAY night, there will be a virtual meal served to everyone, based on what was revealed about PF eating habits. (This meal is low in virtual carbs, for those following that diet.)
NOTE: Please do not write something like, "I had potatoes and cake." What KIND of potato? What KIND of cake?
TODAY (July 7th)
Rice, Fried Chicken Wing, Fish Balls, Tofu, Kangkong with Belacan. Had it just 10 minutes ago. :) Anyone think my cholesterol levels are soaring now?
Rice w/ minced meat, pineapple and courgette (zucchini) mixed through, plus spices.
Oh boy, I already cannot believe these foods! If enough people answer, and the suppers are as interesting, I am going to put it all up on a website, a big ol' website, with comments, called "What They Had for Supper" or some such title. Or, maybe "Scientists' Suppers."
But Recon, what KIND of fish ball?
Monique, what KIND of meat with the rice?
Rotelle Alfredo and green beans are on the menu tonight. There will probably be something else, but I haven't decided yet.
Njorl
But Recon, what KIND of fish ball?
Monique, what KIND of meat with the rice?
You tell me what kind of meat goes into minced meat :confused: Wait, don't tell :biggrin:
Chicken Kiev in Bread Crumbs with Garlic Sauce
Chips
Sun-ripened Tomato Sauce
Salad: Cucumber, Water Cress, Onion, Lettuce adn Tomatoes
Salad Cream
That is all I have just finished eating. Most likely go and have come crisps and a nice piece of cake. Do you want puddings as well?
The Bob (2004 ©)
*EDIT* See after supper food below.
Njorl...
No, no, a thousand times no! You are saying what you are POTENTIALLY having for dinner. I want only ACTUAL suppers. No claiming any alfredos until actually ingested. Please add a post when you actually have eaten. I suspect you will actually have something like a can of Vienna Sausages and a pack of Cheetos and a can of pop unless your wife feeds you.
The Bob, very good, very good. Yes, add any desserts, which the insane term "pudding." There is a ghastly book called The Magic Pudding; avoid it.
Monique's Mincemeat...hmmm...yes, best leave it generic, shall we? Otherwise upsetting parts of animal anatomy may appear in these posts...
Njorl...
No, no, a thousand times no! You are saying what you are POTENTIALLY having for dinner. I want only ACTUAL suppers. No claiming any alfredos until actually ingested. Please add a post when you actually have eaten. I suspect you will actually have something like a can of Vienna Sausages and a pack of Cheetos and a can of pop unless your wife feeds you.
Oh if you only knew how funny that was. If I ate my wife's cooking I'd be at least 50 pounds lighter. I do the dinner cooking in my family, and I am quite good. Last week I made Shrimp Etoufe, Chicken with black bean sauce and beef barbeque. I think my best meals are my chicken Kiev, my Beef with snow peas and lasagna, but they are a lot of work.
Besides, you said, "Or will have."
Njorl
Njorl: Hmmph. Let's ignore what I SAID and deal only with what I MEANT to say. Along with your cooking abilities, don't you have any mind-reading abilities?
My apologies on the slam on your cooking expertise. I would like to have supper at your house.
***
TO CLARIFY: Write you what you ATE not what you HOPE to eat. THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT THINGIE I AM CONDUCTING!!!
I also had an apple and a bag of cheese and onion crips for afters. I may have toast later but that is not for 'supper' so it doesn't count. :biggrin:
The Bob (2004 ©)
Moonbear
Jul7-04, 05:51 PM
I'm going to Njorl's house for dinner! :-)
Okay, this is going to sound pathetic in comparison...I had one all beef hot dog on a rather standard hot dog bun, a squirt of brown mustard and some sweet relish. Some BBQ flavored potato chips on the side. A rum and coke (okay, Pepsi) to wash it down.
Tomorrow promises to be better (no more leftover hot-dogs from Sunday's bbq). Next time ask me on a weekend when I'm likely to be doing more healthful cooking.
Tigers2B1
Jul7-04, 06:30 PM
3 tacos and 1 and a half beers (the half beer was a 'hold over' and 'caused' the consumption of the second beer) -- but the tacos were fresh -- and innocent!
cookiemonster
Jul7-04, 07:59 PM
Quiznos Classic Ham & Swiss, without the mayonnaise and without the tomato, i.e. ham of some unknown sort, some kind of cheese that's allegedly of the Swiss sort, lettuce between 2 and 20 hours old, and a yellow substance that resembles mustard all on a toasted wheat bun. And then when I got home I had a nice can of Coke.
That meal had to substitute for uh... breakfast and lunch, too... So I suppose you can only count a third of it.
cookiemonster
I had pancakes topped with fried bananas (fried with brown sugar and butter) and a an egg (scrambled). To drink was a bottle of Aquafina water.
Moonbear
Jul7-04, 09:34 PM
You tell me what kind of meat goes into minced meat :confused: Wait, don't tell :biggrin:
If minced meat is the same in Holland as it is in the U.S., then here's a website with recipes of what's included. It's really not nearly as scary as you might think, just very complicated and easier to buy it premade. I love mincemeat pies!
http://gonewengland.about.com/cs/thanksgiving/a/aamincemeat.htm
I had a slice of Mexican pizza. :yuck: It looked much better than it tasted.
It had chorizo (Mexican sausage made with beef and pork), cheddar cheese, tomatoes, green chiles, jalapenos, green onions, bell peppers, black olives, crushed corn torilla chips, & cilantro on pizza dough.
My dog liked it, (of course he thinks the cat box is a 24 hour diner) the cats all turned their noses up at it.
Now I feel sick. Moral of the story, don't eat anything a cat won't eat.
I got lazy and stopped at a fast-food place. The french fries were stale, but on the other hand the sliced-beef sandwich was good as usual. Coca Cola to wash it down. Six bucks and change.
Well tonight I went out to a diner with some friends. Had a grilled cheese and salad with a coke. Then I got home and had a shish kabob.
Ivan Seeking
Jul8-04, 12:26 AM
Left over 4th of July goodies: BBQ steak, corn on the cob, watermelon.
But Recon, what KIND of fish ball?
Hah, I wished I could answer that but I really can't because I wasn't in charge of the food preparation. All I know is that it was from the frozen food section and all we did was just fry it.
Ivan Seeking
Jul8-04, 01:49 AM
...very complicated and easier to buy it premade.
I thought it came from wild or domesticated mince.
It had chorizo (Mexican sausage made with beef and pork), cheddar cheese, tomatoes, green chiles, jalapenos, green onions, bell peppers, black olives, crushed corn torilla chips, & cilantro on pizza dough.
That actually sounds nice, You must not be in to hot foods.
The Bob (2004 ©)
Thursday, July 08
For supper today I had: three slices of white bread, one raw tomato (I don't know what kind :( ), some Heinz baked beans, an NZ rose apple, and three bananas.
O, just reading about some of these suppers is giving me heartburn. And I had such hope, such hope.
We have several denizens imbibing alcoholic beverages with their "meals"! Right off, Trouble.
We have Evo eating Mexican Pizza. I thought she was a savvy person and would know to avoid what I term "clash of cultures" foods...but no. To actually bite into such a "food." Nerves of steel, obviously.
We have a noob called Noxflos eating well, if strangely, with his pancakes, bananas, and egg...
Moonbear and the leftover hotdog, though: Gadzooks. I am not surprised at the choice of drink, no, not at all. Tsk, tsk.
Janitor did well to choose Arby's...at least, I suspect it was Arby's, especially since the fries were stale, but did you notice? No fresh anything with his meal. He did not even choose a juice, but drank a Coke. Hmmm.
Cookiemonster, as I absolutely and privately predicted, went for fast food, too. I suppose that's all he'll subsist on at Caltech. Perhaps he's training his stomach for the rigors of the place...and he's just a young man; how can he gain his full strength eating one small meal a day? These poor students...
As to Recon, I'm sorely disappointed and somewhat amazed that he'd actually fry up and eat a "fish ball" of indeterminate origin. However, the fish ball gains new respect when compared with the White Bread Delight dinnertime. At least he had some decent fruit choices.
Check is obviously a young man. No one else but young men go out to eat and then "top it off" with another meal once they return home. However, the nature of the shish kabobs he ate is unknown...I must have these facts for my final conclusions, you see.
Tigers2B1, with the 3 "fresh" tacos (fresh what? Fresh skunk from Ivan Seeking's place?) and 1.5 beers. I'm not even going to discuss such a meal.
And Ivan Seeking, along with One of the Above, eating Fourth of July leftovers! Unsafe! Unsafe! And unsavory! The skunk fumes have affected him. I guess Tsunami went hungry.
I'm appalled. I better have some decent suppers listed by tomorrow or heads will roll.
Me: salad with pineapple and egg and natural dressing and deep fried potatoes (spherical ones) on the side with real american (? it says so on the bottle) mayonaisse with herbs.
The Bob is winning, by the way, in the Sheer Amount catagory. Appalling amounts!
Njorl is suspiciously silent about the alleged nice supper he was going to have.
Monique has gone hungry again; that's how she keeps her girlish figure: Fasting.
Check is obviously a young man. No one else but young men go out to eat and then "top it off" with another meal once they return home.
Technically.. check is the only one of us who had supper:
\Sup"per\, n. A light evening meal when dinner is taken at midday.
Oops, Monique HAS eaten! What is it with Monique and pineapple? Fiendishly fond of the frangrant fruit, it seems...However, do you note she says "spherical" when describing the potato? She needs a break from science, don't you think? Spherical?!!
Monique has gone hungry again; that's how she keeps her girlish figure: Fasting.
:rofl: I was going to include in the other post: "..now I'm still hungry"
and the potatoes WERE spherical! not ovoid or anything, though the eggs were, actually ov-oid means 'like an egg' :biggrin:
I had a calzone with cheese, ham and some other random deli meats.
aeroegnr
Jul8-04, 11:42 AM
This seems interesting.
For lunch (dinner): A Sandwich made with country wheat bread (crushed oats on the crust, mmmm) ontop of which I put Boar's Head Sopressata and Butterkase (A very tasty sandwich).
For dinner: Peppercorn chicken cooked in bush's baked beans, and maybe some cookie dough ice cream later.
Indeed I am a young man.
As for the shish kabob, my apologies for not being more clear as to its nature.
It was made up of several slices of pork, onions, green and red peppers seasoned with some mystery spices. After my supper, I stayed awake for about five more hours (went to bed around 5:30am) during which I ate a bowl of sour cream and onion chips and drank a glass of watermelon punch as well as some filtered tap water.
I now have Check and The Bob in a dead heat for the "Good Eater" designation.
As to DarkAnt's "random deli meats," I place such "foods" in the same catagory as Monique's Mincemeat Surprise...DarkAnt is brave, very brave, to eat "random" meats.
aeroegnr, fabulous in physics and math but unable to discern between lunch and supper, has an interesting post as to what he had "for dinner." He is evidently UNSURE whether or not he ingested some "cookie dough ice cream." I really must wonder about some of our members, yes, indeed.
So what did YOU have for dinner holly :smirk:
Right Thursday.
I had:
1 9-inch deep pan pizza - Cheese, Pepperoni and Peppers (Red and Green)
1 bowl of chips
Tomato Sauce
Cheese and Onion Crisps
Quavers (English Crisps - Cheese Flavour)
Müller Crunch Corner - Toffee and Chocolate Hoops
One Granny Smith Apple
That was it for today's supper. :biggrin:
The Bob (2004 ©)
P.S. It is only Supper, right?
aeroegnr
Jul8-04, 04:03 PM
The ice cream has been consumed, and it was good. Edy's has an ice cream with the cookie dough swirled in it instead of just floating around in chunks.
The Bob is edging past Check in the Humongous Amounts of Food catagory. He evidently enjoys crispy foods immensely.
aeroegnr evidently DID eat "cookie dough ice cream."
Monique illustrates that the Dutch, while adorable in appearance, are a ruthless people with a tendency to smirk at others after consuming meals consisting mainly of tulip bulbs, which they call "pineapple" so as to confuse non-Dutch persons. If you doubt there is a Dutch consipiracy, note the famous code-words of this song: Put your tulips a little closer to the phone...yes, they're all on the alert and just waiting to take over the entire globe.
*I* am fasting. I am enjoying these meals vicariously.
cookiemonster
Jul8-04, 05:12 PM
I object! The fast food thing was a rarity. I was in a different city and I had to eat! I could never afford to eat Quiznos every day, it was like $6! Actually, it was strangely exactly $6.00...
Gimme a few hours to eat dinner and I'll tell ya' the sort of thing I normally eat. In the meantime, lunch time (homemade sandwich, accompanied by my standard caffeine fix)!
cookiemonster
Edit: I'd love some pineapple if anybody'd like to donate some... Or maybe some strawberries, or peaches, or cantelope, or fruit of just about any kind! I love fruit. Wish it didn't cost so much...
I feel like I'm part of a National Geographic documentary... :eek:.. slowly she moved forth to devour an aggregate of nutrients cleverly defrosted in a device that burns gas and thereby releases heat. Similarly water was boiled, with which an extract was made from leaves collected in faraway lands. Never has this footage before been recorded, the illusive feeding habits of a sapiens subclass thought to have been assimilated by computers.
Since you have an abstemious diet, I had some extra midnight cheese pizza and *real* chinese green tea for your vicarious enjoyment :biggrin:
Note to self.. lucidity of pineapple misreckoned..
Moonbear
Jul8-04, 05:49 PM
As promised, no more hot dogs!
Tonight, 6 pieces of sashimi (salmon and yellowtail...each piece on rice...I think that's sashimi, though sometimes I've had that without rice, so I'm not sure if it gets a different name when stuck on rice...perhaps it becomes sushi...but no icky seaweed stuff in it). Oh, and of course soy sauce and wasabi aplenty!
And a large handful of bing cherries for dessert (yummy...they are in season now and perfectly delicious!).
Didn't require any alcohol to wash down tonight's dinner :approve:
Moonbear
Jul8-04, 05:51 PM
I suspect Monique lives alone and saw a nice pineapple at the market and is now including it in everything she makes until she manages to use it up :-)
Gokul43201
Jul8-04, 06:28 PM
DAY 1
Last night I ate aloo parathas (unraised bread, stuffed with spiced mashed potatoes, and fried in oil) with channa masala ( chick peas cooked in a gravy of tomatoes and minced onions, spiced with red pepper powder, turmeric, cilantro, cumin, mustard, cloves and several other Indian spices). Then I had rice mixed with seasoned, ground lentils with a tiny dollop of tomato pickle and some deep-fried okra. Dessert was a Milky Way bar.
Poor Cookiemonster is pretending he doesn't usually eat student fare. Ha! Anyone near Caltech? Once he gets there, someone please give the child some fruits to eat. It's fun to feed starving students; they have no idea if your cooking is bad...
Moonbear attempts to redeem herself by mentioning exotic salmon/rice dishes...[add disdainful sniffs here] and is she eating PAPER? Wasabi...paper, correct? Paper of some sort?
Monique has added TORTURE to her list of evil Dutch traits!!! Speaking of all sorts of tasty foods to a fasting person.
Gokul43201 -- the 43201 evidently stands for the number of calories consumed per FRIED FOOD meal -- along with Recon, is eating the most INTERESTING food, and has done an EXCELLENT job in describing the spices. Props to Gokul. But where did the Milky Way bar come from???
Moonbear
Jul8-04, 07:32 PM
Moonbear attempts to redeem herself by mentioning exotic salmon/rice dishes...[add disdainful sniffs here] and is she eating PAPER? Wasabi...paper, correct? Paper of some sort?
Paper? :confused: No, wasabi is that green horseradish-like stuff that will make you see stars if you eat too much of it all at once :surprise: (cleans out the sinuses quite well)...very yummy on sushi, or even mixed into mashed potatoes.
This is to be taken as a challenge, right? That is, to improve one's eating now that I'm under scrutiny? Well, depending on whether our lab goes out for happy hour or not tomorrow night, I may or may not have a better dinner (could be the free Friday happy hour bar food, or could be something properly home-cooked, or might just go out to dinner...one never knows for a Friday...I am all out of junk food, so won't be resorting to dinners of potato chips and cookies or anything like that...yes, it's been known to happen). You'll just have to wait to find out. The sad thing is, I really do know how to cook, I just have been lazy about it lately. Need to do some proper grocery shopping to restock the basic ingredients I don't have currently.
The Bob is winning, by the way, in the Sheer Amount catagory. Appalling amounts!
Njorl is suspiciously silent about the alleged nice supper he was going to have.
Monique has gone hungry again; that's how she keeps her girlish figure: Fasting.
I had my rotelle alfredo and green beans last night.
I just finished my tortellini with romano and parmesean cheese and sweet italian sausage tonight. I also had a golden delicious apple. I forgot to make any vegetables.
Njorl
WOW. I can't believe what Njorl cooks up. Maybe he should cook Saturday's Festive Virtual Supper.
No, no, Moonbear, do not change your usual path as regards eating! No! I cannot receive the correct karmic messages if you are going to purposefully change your eating habits! That's why I'm fasting: So that MY food does not interfere with the messages from YOUSE GUYS food. See? And please stop eating paper.
Moonbear
Jul8-04, 10:20 PM
Never fear...I can't change my eating habits until I have time to go grocery shopping, and that won't happen before Saturday, so I'm still limited by whatever is already in my house. I don't even think I have pasta sauce around here :-(
Njorl, are you Italian? You seem to concoct very Italian sounding dishes...yummy!
Janitor did well to choose Arby's...at least, I suspect it was Arby's, especially since the fries were stale...- Holly
Bingo. Are they known for stale fries? I know someone who doesn't care for McDonalds all that much, but he swears their french fries are better than all the other fast-food fries. Something about a shorter duty cycle with their lard.
cookiemonster
Jul8-04, 11:45 PM
It seems that you're on the more standard student fare, holly!
Anyway, starting to cook dinner now... Pasta and beef sausage (the cheapest that can be bought, naturally). But I splurged at the grocery store today and bought some oranges, so I'm gonna throw one of those in, too. And, to go with it, as usual, my nightly fix of caffeine. Half the cost of the meal is the orange. =\
And, for reference, my brother's having the same thing I am. Minus the sausage. Because I'm cooking it and he's too lazy to do anything.
cookiemonster
Edit: Minor correction. The caffeine accompanied cooking, and water accompanied dinner.
Looks like I pulled a two-part supper again tonight! Went to a friends, had four slices of pepperoni pizza and a glass of lemonade. When I got home I made myself a sandwich: lettuce, tomato, mozzarella cheese and roast beef, with mayonnaise, barbeque sauce and honey mustard on toasted white bread. It would have been on European rye bread but we seem to be out of it today! Washed that down with a glass of watermelon punch again.
I don’t think my supper tomorrow will be as good. Goin’ boozin’ so I’ll probably end up eating half a bag of Doritos… but I’ll keep you posted! :smile:
Ivan Seeking
Jul9-04, 12:05 AM
Tonight: Hard Salami, smoked ham, and pastrami on pita bread with relish and lots of yellow peppers. Chips and Salsa on the side. As always with 2% milk; always. I get serious about my milk. :biggrin:
Tonight I went light. Two whole artichokes with lemon/garlic butter for dipping.
This is to be taken as a challenge, right? That is, to improve one's eating now that I'm under scrutiny? Well, depending on whether our lab goes out for happy hour or not tomorrow night, I may or may not have a better dinner
Well, here a staple friday night dinner is bread with bread on top, bread on the side and bread in the middle. Unless I decide to fry some Indian spiced pineapple, I think you're going to do better than me :rolleyes:
PRodQuanta
Jul9-04, 12:32 AM
Well, I just got back from my high school baseball game (which we lost :frown: 3-2 in extra innings) and started my routine checkup and post on PF, when I stumbled across this thread. Pretty cool.
Well, the bus stopped at Subway. I had a foot long sub. Mediterranean chicken with lettuce, tomatoes, onions, black olives, oil, parmesan cheese, and ranch dressing on parmesan oregano bread. Original Doritos was my choice of chip, and a Mountain Dew to top off the meal. Wasn't bad.
Paden Roder
I’ll probably end up eating half a bag of Doritos.- check
I have a co-worker in his 20s whose traditional lunch is a bag of Doritos and a Slurpee.
I have a co-worker in his 20s whose traditional lunch is a bag of Doritos and a Slurpee.
Sounds like a great snack! I think I'd die if I only had that for lunch though...
Sounds like a great snack! I think I'd die if I only had that for lunch though...
I know what you mean.
The Bob (2004 ©)
Holly, I'm not too concerned. At least I have not died from the fish balls yet. :)
Friday (9th July)
Dinner today was a simple meal of just rice, chicken in black bean sauce (a Cantonese Dish) and Kangkong (swamp cabbage) again.
Gokul43201
Jul9-04, 07:51 AM
Last night I had rice with a lentil broth (cooked with sauteed onions, green peppers and peas; spiced with red peppers, turmeric and watchamacallit), with Lays Classic potato chips on the side.
Dessert : torta doppia cioccolato (three layers of chocolate cake between whipped chocolate filling topped with a chocolate butter cream icing, served on sambuca sauce.)
:drool: I like Gokul43201's cooking, but what is watchamacallit?!
Ah, I love it when my suspicions about these science types are confirmed; yes indeedy.
Janitor, his mind on higher things, is totally oblivious to the fact that Arby's is known for its execrable fries, especially the nasty "curly fries." World Famous for Bad Fries.
Check, again, eats two suppers, storing up nutrients against a wild Friday binge. Hmmm. Where is he obtaining watermelon punch in Canada? It must be frozen punch.
Ivan Seeking shall henceforth be called "I SURE LIKE MEAT." The little skunks are probably having to push him aside to get to the tasty meat morsels in the cat food bowl.
Evo has eaten the most elegant entree yet: Two artichokes, with sauce. She must be made of money; have you priced artichokes lately? Even a small Wal-Mart artichoke is expensive, and to gorge on TWO? WELL!
Monique offers her complicated recipe for a Genuine Dutch Bread Sandwich [contents: Bread]. Did the "pineapple" finally run out?
PRodQuanta had me rolling on the floor, as he evidently thinks nothing of eating an entire foot-long sub by himself. Check and The Bob have competition.
Recon had an interesting meal, but the Swamp Cabbage entry has me somewhat concerned. Is this what we term "Skunk Cabbage?" An inedible, nay, POISONOUS, swamp-growing, foul-smelling weed?! Is this what they are eating where he lives? Is it???!!!
Cookiemonster's entry makes me sad, very sad...these poor students. Eating some cheap sausage - and all sausage is a Bad Thing - and "splurging" on an orange. It's just SAD. I suggest a site be built where one can donate money to the poor child via PayPal and the mail. "FEED THE CALTECH STARVING" would be the catchline.
Gokul43etcetc, with a wonderful post, RUINED it by the listing of "whatchamacallit" as a spice. One point from Gokul, sorry. And he was doing so well, too.
Gokul43201
Jul9-04, 09:21 AM
Gokul43etcetc, with a wonderful post, RUINED it by the listing of "whatchamacallit" as a spice. One point from Gokul, sorry. And he was doing so well, too.
If you really want to know, "watchamacallit" is a pre-mixed powder consisting of coriander, cumin, fenugreek, red pepper, refined groundnut oil, cinnamon and dehydrated curry leaves.
Too late for redemption ?
The point Gokul43201 previously lost for "whatchmacallit" has been restored, but his slacker nature as to the listing of spices has been noted. Unfair? Yes, but when someone shows such ability and potential in correctly listing the supper ingredients, we MUST hold them to a higher standard!
If you really want to know, "watchamacallit" is a pre-mixed powder consisting of coriander, cumin, fenugreek, red pepper, refined groundnut oil, cinnamon and dehydrated curry leaves.
Ah.. just say garam masala then :)
Gokul43201
Jul9-04, 10:03 AM
Monique, the expert on all things Indian ! Actually, it's called Sambar Powder.
Garam masala is a mixture of black pepper, cumin, coriander, cardamom (with seeds), cloves, nutmeg, mace, caraway, cinnamon and ginger....and it very different !
Depending on whether you've got North or South Indian garam masala the mixture can be very different :) But ofcourse.. lentil sambar.. I should've known better :wink:
Where is he obtaining watermelon punch in Canada? It must be frozen punch.
You mean there are OTHER kinds?!?!?! :eek: :confused: :eek:
:tongue2:
WHOOT! The staple friday bread dinner turned into luxery :biggrin: white buns with fried codfish in ravigotte saus, and cactus tea on the side.
And now for Firday:
2 piece of Haddock
Chips
Tomato Sauce
Tartae Sauce
Salad Cream
Granny Smith Apple
Vanilla Choco Ball Müller Crunch Corner
Ready Salted Crisps
Yazoo Banana Flavoured Milk Drink (more of a food than a drink really).
And that is it. If I snack out later I will post it.
The Bob (2004 ©)
Clarification needed from The Bob: When he says he eats "chips," does he mean chips, or does he mean steak fries? He loses a point for that.
Extra point to Gokul43201 for his efforts to educate the forum on the various names of inedible spice mixtures.
One point taken from Check for not indicating sooner that the watermelon punch was indeed a FROZEN punch.
Point to Monique for not eating just bread. "Man cannot live by bread alone," the Good Book says. Let's ignore its other dietary advice, however. Point now taken from Monique because she should have eaten up the rest of that pineapple.
Wednesday: Wendy's single 1/4 pound burger with everything, fries, and a coke.
Thursday: Tortilla chips (the lime flavor ones), cheese, and salsa. Two pieces of pizza.
Friday: Spaghetti with tomato sauce (onions and some spices) and hamburger.
Not exactly my typical diet, though. Wednesday and most of Thursday was spent on the road, arriving home from vacation three days late and with a different vehicle than I started out my vacation with.
As to BobG:
While glad exceedingly to see this post, I must chastise him for the rather generic and pallid descriptions given as to the meals. He says "Two pieces of pizza." What KIND of pizza? He did well to mention LIME-flavored tortilla chips (by the way, that's the "Anglo" dum-dum version of lime, not what the Mexicans make it with), but fails again with "salsa." Rotten mango salsa with cilantro? Possibly. He doesn't say. What KIND of cheese?
I don't have the heart to take away a point when he obviously had a difficult vacation. Let's give him a nanopoint for effort.
Ah, holly, you just don't understand the magic of travelling.
I can honestly say this was the best vacation I've ever taken. Even more fun than the time my brother and I hitch-hiked from Ohio to Louisiana and picked up by a couple of escaped, armed convicts, who proceded to steal our backpacks, which were filled with as many cartons of cigarettes as we could fit in around our clothes when we got stuck at Mammoth Cave and discovered Kentucky had an incredibly low cigarette tax (I always imagine the expression on their faces when they got aruond to opening our packs and always wonder how many of them they were able to smoke before they got caught again).
And, to fill in the details, it was Domino's pepperoni and mushroom pizza. The cheese was the Kraft Mexican (the blocks of cheese), and I don't remember the type of salsa (it was some local brand I wanted to check out, but was wasn't that impressed with - it was kind of bland and watery), but I hope it wasn't rotten. Now that you mention it, the electricity could have gone out several times while I was gone.
cookiemonster
Jul9-04, 05:19 PM
Good. As long as you don't think I eat fast food every day.
And my brother didn't even do the dishes like he was supposed to! Grrr...
cookiemonster
Janitor, his mind on higher things... - Holly
Hey, that's not fair! Most of the time my mind is on lower things. I'm talking gutter. Raw sewage. :approve:
Moonbear
Jul9-04, 08:41 PM
Okay, I think I've been influenced by the others here, as my dinner came in two parts tonight. But I think it's called an appetizer and main course.
Went with my co-workers to happy hour. Had a gin and tonic and blue corn tortilla chips with some sort of melted cheese sauce with what looked like tomatoes, something green, and definitely cilantro mixed into it (hey, I'm not going to argue when the put it out for free), topped with a few jalapeno slices. My friend then decided to order some spinach dip because she didn't like the cheese sauce, and I had some of that too...it has spinach, tomato, little shrimps (that sounded redundant, didn't it?), and some sort of white sauce to make it creamy...if I knew all the ingredients, you can bet I'd be making it for myself...it's tasty stuff.
That held me over so I wasn't starved, so I was able to stop at an actual grocery store on the way home without fear of buying everything or passing out before getting through the checkout line, so I was able to get some fresh veggies to complement the beef cubes I had in the fridge thawing. So, main course:
beef cubes sauteed with olive oil, garlic, snow peas, a carrot, about 1/4 of a yellow pepper, a large mushroom (the generic white variety found in plastic wrapped packages), and orange zest. All the vegetables were sliced very thinly (julienne style). Added the juice from half the orange, about a 1/4 cup of zinfandel wine (another 1/4 to 1/2 cup was consumed during the cooking process), one beef boullion cube and a small bay leaf, some salt and pepper, and once the alcohol was cooked off, some heavy cream to thicken the sauce.
In retrospect, it would have been better served over rice or pasta, but I didn't know what the end result was going to be until I was done adding stuff to it and finally served it up on a plate. All that good sauce going to waste...but it probably keeps the total calories to a more reasonable level considering I already had all those chips and creamy sauces on them.
And I'm about to sit down with some more of those yummy cherries for dessert tonight, if dessert counts as part of the dinner menu.
Now you know my secret, I store up on calories on the weekends and then don't need to eat very much during the work-week.
BobG now receives a picopoint, instead of the nanopoint, just because. Actually, it's because he was evidently acting wild and hitchhiking all over creation causing grief to the sensible-minded, and not eating well. BTW, it is pronounced PEEK-oh, not PIE-koe. Since we are talking food here, some may have inadvertantly said "pie-koe" to themselves.
A point to cookiemonster for having to wash the dishes while his wretched brother loafed around.
A point FROM Moonbear, for not having the sense to lick the sauce off of the plate when no one was looking...BUT she receives a point for eating cherries at the end of the meal. However, a point is permanently removed for imbibing during the cooking of the dinner. No arguing!
TOMORROW I will reveal certain truths about PF members, and unpleasant ones, I'm afraid, mixed in with the positive ones, so be forewarned, AND will serve a Festive Virtual Supper.
And a point from Janitor for being a smartypants. :grumpy:
cookiemonster
Jul10-04, 12:35 AM
No dinner tonight.
cookiemonster
PRodQuanta
Jul10-04, 01:09 AM
Well, I just got back from my baseball game. I pitched (needless to say we lost ! :cry: ) No.. I'm not that bad.
But, I was so upset, I didn't think much of eating. *Or maybe because I felt sick and dissy after being hit in the head with a baseball :confused: *
Meal: 2 laffy taffy's (the 8x1.5 in. ones, red w/ sprinkles and purple). A Mountain Dew.
Although, when discussing the game w/ my gf afterwards, her mom did offer me a ice cream sandwich, which I ate with pleasure.
I'm kinda regreting it now!
Paden Roder
Gokul43201
Jul10-04, 01:12 AM
Dinner was light tonight. I had chicken wings in spicy garlic sauce; potato wedges and breaded white button mushrooms. Dips were bleu cheese and good ol' mayo. Washed it down with a few rounds of Old Smuggler Scotch on the rocks.
Math Is Hard
Jul10-04, 01:12 AM
wed: studying late, forgot to eat
thurs: japanese salmon skin salad, iced tea (at restaurant)
fri: lean cuisine spaghetti dinner, tap water
Ivan Seeking
Jul10-04, 01:20 AM
Okay this isn't fair because I was up with the new kitty all last night and my schedule is all screwed up again. I'll eat something else later but technically dinner tonight was Ben and Jerry's Chocolate Fudge Brownie Ice Cream; with milk or course. Tsu ate a tribute to the Dead days with some Cherry Garcia.
I often eat a lot of grains though I onced live exclusively on really fine tacos for three months. No kidding; only tacos. The beef rich diet is actually unusual; with chicken and tuna as my primary meats. We do love to BBQ steaks in the summer though. IMO, my fresh oak BBQ ribeye steaks are my greatest acomplishment in life. My next and only other specialty is Chicken Kiev. To be honest though, I could be happy if I had nothing more than pizza and tacos for life; with my 2% milk and plenty of peppers and hot salsa of course.
iansmith
Jul10-04, 08:42 AM
Monday: Stir fired Chicken & chinese cabbage with rice and an Irrésistible – Brune (http://www.unibroue.com/produits/irresistible.cfm). I had a ice cream sandwich for dessert.
Eat a second when I came back from softball: Won-tong soup (indonesian style) with egg noodle in it.
Tuesday: Stew which has chicken hearts, tofu and potatoes in indonesian Ketchup (it is sweet soya sauce with the thickness of molasso). I had a ice cream sandwich for dessert.
Wednesday: Spaghetti with a store bought tomato sauce (my friend added egg plant, mushroom and courgette) and 2 home brew beer (Stoch Ale type)
Thurday: Won-tong soup (indonesian style) with egg noodle in it and chicken fried rice (indonesian style which means it is whitish and has peas and an egg) and a cucumber marinated in vinegar and sugar with red onions. I had a Trois-Pistoles (http://www.unibroue.com/products/3pistoles.cfm). I had a ice cream sandwich for dessert.
Fridays was left over day so I had Won-tong soup (indonesian style) with egg noodle and rice with the marinated cucumbers. I had an Éphémère au moût de pomme (http://www.unibroue.com/products/ephemere-pomme.cfm) I had a peach and Mr Freeze and for dessert.
I did not cook any of this food. My aunt is from indonesia and she is town for couple weeks and she doing all the cooking.
Moonbear
Jul10-04, 09:51 AM
Holly, did you punish cookiemonster for some food infraction and send him to bed with no supper? How mean. Will somebody please feed cookiemonster? I'll have to send a care package of cookies, but they might get there too slowly to be of much help! And same with Math is Hard...no wonder...math is very challenging when you're skipping meals! I'm having these horrible flash backs to grad school days...please, feed the starving students!
Ivan, nothing wrong with Ben & Jerry's for dinner...I've done it myself :-)
Iansmith, do you think your aunt would like to visit the U.S. a bit? I have a spare bedroom and a fully functioning kitchen :-)
I'm still laughing that I got a point deducted for not licking my plate clean...LOL! Maybe I should have let some of the starving students lick the bowl :-) You'd be amazed how much weight I gained after grad school, when I was finally able to afford food.
BTW, Holly, are you going to make our Australian members starve while waiting for their Saturday virtual supper long past their bedtimes?
Last night I had penne pasta tossed with grilled chicken breast, shrimp, ham & smoked mozzarella cheese.
Since I cannot tell a lie, it was a Sam's Choice frozen dinner I bought at Walmart. Amazingly, it is the best frozen entree I have ever eaten.
I love to cook, I think I am pretty damned good and many people have told me that my cooking is orgasmic. :blush: But between the long hours my job demands and the fact that I am the only person here in the evenings, I rarely cook anymore. :frown:
What horror. I come in from an entire day studying life support, only to find a number of upsetting entries -- and entrees -- posted.
The fact that Cookiemonster had no dinner has me (1) mad at him, and (2) mad at his friends and family. I ask myself, "Does he have a 'church family,' and if so, do they know he is without adequate food?" Does no one care this young man is without food? Is there any way to help him get some life skills, such as encouraging him to finagle a job on campus, preferably in the dining hall or at the dinner theater, so that he can get sufficient nourishment? I'm sure he's mortified to be singled out, but really, these kiddos have no sense, no sense whatsoever. Cookiemonster has an elegant and incisive mind in math, yes, but in street smarts, he is evidently lacking. It's very upsetting. 100 SYMPATHY POINTS TO COOKIE. Isn't his name ironic? The cookieless cookiemonster.
Then Math Is Hard reports NO SUPPER three days ago! Another student, no doubt! And eating too lightly on the other days, that's plain to see. What to do with this person? DEDUCTION OF 5 POINTS.
This iansmith evidently doesn't get enough frightening microbes in his line of work; he brews some cloudy, filthy "homebrewed ale," and actually drinks it. Shocking! I could not pay attention to the rest of his post; I can't get past the ale. He's probably "ailing" by now, allright. FIFTY POINTS GONE.
Then as to Gokul: Et tu, Gokul? Down the liquor path? Scotch, is it? FILTHY. FIFTY POINTS FROM GOKUL AS WELL.
PRodQuanta, the reason you are losing in your ballgames is because of your inadequate DIET. Laffy Taffy, with the poisonously colored "mini non-pariels" -- the "sprinkles" as he terms them -- washed down with Mtn Dew (an EVIL drink), followed by an ice cream "sandwich." It's made me queasy from here. ANOTHER 50 LOST, ALL AVOIDABLE WITH PROPER MEALS.
Ivan Seeking, forsaking his meat-laden diet for once, chose to bring coals to Newcastle, by eating ice cream (which I would NEVER eat) with 2% milk. In nature, Ivan Seeking, milk does not come in 2%. That is a manmade product and is against the laws of nature, and you drank it. SEVENTY-FIVE POINTS FROM IVAN SEEKING.
As for Evo, I was sighing at her usual elegant meal, only to be blindsided with the bald admission that it is some sort of manufactured food from "Sam's Club," and worse, she says she liked it. ONE HUNDRED POINTS FROM EVO.
I cannot reveal the shocking truths revealed to me after reading each person's postings. Not in this thread, for fear of the thread police. However, I plan a thread, if desired by the PF denizens, where the karmic messages received will be refined based on the answers to three simple questions. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR LOST OR MISDIRECTED KARMIC MESSAGES.
Please let me know if you care to answer your 3 questions and receive your Message (which consists of a remark about something in your PAST, a WARNING for the future, and a LUCKY gemstone and PERSONAL TREE. Don't ask me, these thoughts unfortunately just come to me).
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For Your Virtual Meal:
This is costing me a bundle, let me tell you! I've rented the elegant Roadrunner Room (real carpet!) at Midland College. A variety of orchids are on each table, which may be taken by the guests (THAT'S YOU) at the end of the meal.
The meal is served robotically by robots unable to count. So, you may take as many pieces of food as you wish, and no one will be counting.
We BEGIN with a choice of avocadas, jicama, hearts of romaine, green and black olives, pico de gallo, a choice of 150 different strange croutons and 50+ unusual dressings, and for our British friends, plain peas. That's the salad course.
For the main course, you may choose mole (no, not the little furry blind things, please), chicken and beef fajitas, roast beef, roast turkey, or duck, and for our British friends, boiled fish.
Sides include corn on the cob, mashed potatoes, roasted asparagus, fried okra, pan-fried sweet potatoes, and for our British friends, more plain peas.
The dessert cart has three tiers and is almost too heavy to push, with cream pies of all sorts, fruit pies, 5-layer cakes (all flavors), flan, strawberries dusted with powdered sugar, fresh blueberries, and for our British friends, Sugared Shreddies n Cream.
Everyone is having Tea or Coffee or Pop.
Please don't drink out of the fingerbowls.
Please let me know if you care to answer your 3 questions and receive your Message (which consists of a remark about something in your PAST, a WARNING for the future, and a LUCKY gemstone and PERSONAL TREE. Don't ask me, these thoughts unfortunately just come to me).YES!!! I must know!!!
In the words of Brillat Savarin "Tell me what you eat and I will tell you what you are"
For Your Virtual Meal:That sounds wonderful holly! :approve: Well, except for our British friends. Of course, it's no wonder that of all the ethnic food restaurants so popular in the US that you do not find British restaurants. :yuck:
As for Evo, I was sighing at her usual elegant meal, only to be blindsided with the bald admission that it is some sort of manufactured food from "Sam's Club," and worse, she says she liked it. ONE HUNDRED POINTS FROM EVO. :cry: I'm sorry, I was hungry. :cry:
Monique
Jul10-04, 06:02 PM
Of course, it's no wonder that of all the ethnic food restaurants so popular in the US that you do not find British restaurants. :yuck:
Have you ever seen a Dutch restaurant? :confused: the food is worse than the Brits :rolleyes:
I feel so special, I don't have negative points! :biggrin: I'm sorry Evo, Moonbear, Ivan, Ian, Goluk, and everyone else.. I couldn't wait for you all and finished Holly's food by myself, ah.. there's still some chickpeas leftover..
One hundred points from Monique for eating up all the food, and for disparaging those world-famous Dutch restaurants, which serve such delicacies as sauted dough balls, weak soup, and weaker tea, along with that delicious salted licorice!
No! Now it's Five Hundred Points from Monique, for having a signature in a funny language! Ha!
Ten more points from Evo for quoting some guy I don't know.
Ivan Seeking
Jul10-04, 07:00 PM
Tonight it BBQ skunk with weasle tail and badger bits.
:biggrin:
cookiemonster
Jul10-04, 07:49 PM
All that food is way too good for little ol' me. I don't even know what half of it is! But I like turkey...
I was gonna go with something different tonight, but the shortage of other ingredients and the surplus of pasta kinda necessitated a second round. And then I wanted to throw some chicken in it, but then I noticed that we have neither chicken nor a grill to cook it on... Along with a missing car that my brother borrowed for the weekend. So tonight was round two of me vs. pasta & sausage + orange. But I think I might've made too much since I was cooking for only 1 person. =\
cookiemonster
Okay I just got home about 5 minutes ago.
For supper last night I did indeed end up eating half a bag of Doritos as well as a ham and cheese sub from 7eleven. I’m not sure how much beer I drank, but it was quite a lot. IF I hadn’t been drinking, I’m sure I would have had a wonderful supper. Oh well…
Ah, poor cookiemonster...Cookie, PLEASE consider setting up a begging site. Freesavers.com has lots of good names left. I suggest going with the dot-faithweb name. Set it up, and I will donate to it.
Is there a Wal-Mart superstore near you? Or does California forbid them? If there IS one, go to it. Get yourself a roasted chicken for only $3.28. Then get yourself some of the canned goods for only 33 cents to 63 cents each. Look around the produce section for some cheap produce. The bags of mixed apples and oranges are usually pretty cheap. As for most produce, it's sky-high everywhere right now, though. Please also try to get a job on campus working near food. Surely Caltech has a dinner theater? You sound too klutzy to work near kettles and steam and such in the dining
halls...
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One billion points from Ivan Seeking!!!!
Check, did drinking up all that beer make you happy? Did it? I doubt it. It is robbing you of good suppers and good health, of that I have no doubt.
ALWAYS MOVE TOWARDS THE POSITIVE in life. ALWAYS KNOW WHAT YOU WANT OUTCOMES TO BE, AND ACT ACCORDINGLY.
cookiemonster
Jul10-04, 10:04 PM
holly, just one problem... No transportation! It's gone for the weekend.
And once I get to Caltech, I'll be well-fed. We get dinner served to us every weekday, sit-down style, with waiters! And we get to throw it at peop--er... And I'll be able to walk to somewhere I can buy food for weekends!
In the meantime, I just gotta survive until the end of the month. Then I'm headed out to Texas where I'll get real food!
Either way, after all the food I just had, I feel like I don't wanna eat for the rest of the week...
And I am not klutzy. :frown:
cookiemonster
Check, did drinking up all that beer make you happy? Did it? I doubt it. It is robbing you of good suppers and good health, of that I have no doubt.
Actually, I had a pretty good time. Since I usually do eat very good suppers, I think going out drinking once in a while isn't that bad. If I were to do this every day or so, then yes, you'd be correct. Plus, I wasn't drinking alone, I was with friends. Don't worry holly, I'm no alcoholic. 80% of the time there's a party or my friends hitting the bar, I volunteer to be the DD.
Oh, and I wouldn't mind answering the 3 questions.
Math Is Hard
Jul11-04, 12:25 AM
My goodness Holly, I am STUFFED from that virtual smoragsboard! Thanks ever so!!! (I got my plate before Monique saw!!)
Hopefully I'll only be gaining virtual pounds from all of that!
Gokul43201
Jul11-04, 03:49 AM
And I had the chickpeas...not too bad ! Washed that down with a swig of scotch - out of a fingerbowl !
Ivan Seeking
Jul11-04, 04:03 AM
In nature, Ivan Seeking, milk does not come in 2%. That is a manmade product and is against the laws of nature, and you drank it.
We get our 2% from low fat cows. If you check carefully the udders are marked.
Moonbear
Jul11-04, 08:58 AM
Wow, Holly, what a feast! Though I had to wait a bit for the robotic waiters to return with a fresh supply for the buffet after Monique got to it. Why are you serving us moles? If they aren't the blind, furry kind, what sort of genetically engineered moles did you create? And just a choice of coffee, tea or pop? I'll never sleep! Not to mention that after years of living in the midwest, I still think pop is the strangest word in the world..it's soda! Every time someone offers me a pop, I think "Pop goes the weasel!"...seriously, I do.
Fortunately, I had the full meal listing, so didn't make my usual mistake of filling up on the salad. It was a tough call between roast beef and roast duck, but then I decided that I can cook roast beef for myself, but duck is harder to come by, so went for the duck...excellent glaze on it! I had an assortment of side dishes with it...I love my veggies! And even though I was already feeling pretty stuffed by then, I managed to find room for that heavenly chocolate layer cake with coffee.
Bravo! Excellent meal!
Three questions, what three questions? Who asks the three questions? Can I answer the three questions?
The Bob
Jul11-04, 01:10 PM
Clarification needed from The Bob: When he says he eats "chips," does he mean chips, or does he mean steak fries? He loses a point for that.
I mean chips (hence I did not say french fries or steak chips or potato chips [point back :approve: ]).
Anyway is this being carried on? Do I need to say what I had yesterday and today and then tomorrow?
And what do I do with the virtual meals plus the Brits have nice restaurants. You must have been to Portsmouth ( :biggrin: ). I am up for the three questions.
The Bob (2004 ©)
Re: The Bob: Should he keep posting his suppers?
My opinion is, when a thread is made, the originator has no more say about what happens to that thread. Hence my snide amusement at the idea of people wanting to police the threads. If anyone wishes to continue listing their suppers, by all means do so. I made this thread as an experiment meant to reveal things, and it did. I asked for three consecutive supper reports, and received the reports. Now, the thread is on its own, with my thanks to all those who participated. MANY THINGS WERE REVEALED.
Re: The Bob: Should he keep posting his suppers?
It won't be the same without your comments holly. :frown: This has been a really fun thread. :biggrin:
The Bob
Jul11-04, 04:57 PM
It has been fun but :shy: where are the results? Sorry.
The Bob (2004 ©)
jimmy p
Jul11-04, 05:06 PM
my supper tonight was Spaghetti Bolognese using Turkish spices mixed together by a very nice vendor, who mixed his meal spices together. I love Turkey.
Saturday meal:
My family meals are going steadily downhill. Left alone in the house with just my son to keep me company, we ate fast food - and not even from the same place. I had the Burger King Whopper (with cheese), french fries, and a coke. My son had the MacDonald's Quarter Pounder, french fries, and some kind of drink.
But I did make us some homemade milkshakes with Breyer's vanilla ice cream and Hershey's chocolate syrup. No milk, though - Holly's comment about my salsa going bad made we a little worried about the milk in the fridge. Made for some good thick shakes, almost as thick as a Frosty (oh, no! - is this some kind of fast food twilight zone?)
BobG:
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Can you say Heimlich?
Ivan Seeking
Jul12-04, 01:54 AM
It has been fun but :shy: where are the results? Sorry.
The Bob (2004 ©)
I am pretty sure that at -1,000,000,050 points, I lost. Still not quite sure what though.
The Bob
Jul12-04, 04:47 AM
Still would like to know the results unless they have not been posted yet.
I have most likely just missed them.
The Bob (2004 ©)
BobG:
_______________________
Can you say Heimlich?
Funny.
But do you even know what Hemmi is? (Hint: It's not a Hemi.)
Hemmi...hmmm...is it some funny sort of math tool?
jimmy p
Jul12-04, 12:29 PM
Isnt it a slide rule?
Yes, kind of. Actually, it's a slide rule company. Not only did they make several different kinds of slide rules under their own name, but they made slide rules for Post in the US and Hughes-Owen in Canada.
And while slide rules once were valuable math tools, nowadays they've mostly become weapons of math instruction used by teachers looking for a little more visual way to show math relationships.
cookiemonster
Jul13-04, 01:04 AM
Holly, I looked at the pre-cooked and it wasn't anywhere near $3! They were like $13! And none of the produce was on sale, and none of it looked too good, either... A few weeks ago they had strawberries for like 60% off and I bought some of those, but now they're back up to their normal costliness.
But I was thinking of buying some chicken, throwing it in a pan, and throwing it on the stove. Think it'll work?
cookiemonster
cookiemonster, I am appalled at those prices on the chicken. I suspect this is because you are in California, and not in God's Country (Midland, Texas). A person can live decently here on very little money. You can have a nice house, get nice things to eat, have cute clothes, all reasonable in price. You can have a whole chicken, roasted with jalapeno jelly on it, for only $3.28.
Yes, you can cook the chicken on the stove. Do you have a pan lid? Do you know how to quickly saute the chicken to brown it, then slowly cook it in a very small amount of water with the lid on tightly? The problem with trying to help students cook is that the poor things have NOTHING. They usually don't even have a pan. I will be relieved when cookiemonster is being fed properly by the CalTech staff.
Well, I just ate some "lite" vienna sausages, 38 cents for a can. Holly, the ingredients say "mechanically separated chicken". Is this a bad thing?
Monique
Jul13-04, 11:50 AM
Hey cookiemonster, I used to bake chicken in the oven.. rub the chicken with spices and lay it on some slightly oiled tinfoil in the oven and wait 15 min.. it saves having to wash dirty pans, you just throw the tinfoil in the garbage after use :biggrin: it tastes much better too..
oh wait, you only have a stove.. so what's the problem :confused:
The Bob: I'm not revealing anything here. You already got a revelation over on the fortune-telling thread. However, you DID win the Big Eater Award. Prize: A Giant Wooden Spoon spraypainted Gold. Ta da!
Evo, I was already aware of the mechanically processed nature of the Vienna Sausage. If you look closely at the ground chicken packages in the meat case, they, too, note that it was mechanically separated. I'd advise against eating that. Mainly, though, they are taking the fat and using it to flavor other foods. It always boils down to chasing the allmighty dollar, I'm afraid.
Monique's recipe sounds good, although I am not sure why she is tasting the tinfoil after throwing it into the garbage??? Maybe that's one of those Dutch recipes they had to invent after WWII.
Monique
Jul13-04, 12:30 PM
Make up a batch of pre-mixed spices to use on the meat (aka adobo rub):
6 tablespoons paprika
2 tablespoons ground black pepper
2 tablespoons coarse salt
1 tablespoon chili powder
2 tablespoons brown sugar
3 pinches cayenne pepper
What do you think Holly, that I would eat the tinfoil without first basking it in some condiments? I'm telling you, it tastes much better after having been in the garbage :rolleyes:
cookiemonster
Jul13-04, 04:40 PM
Yes, you can cook the chicken on the stove. Do you have a pan lid? Do you know how to quickly saute the chicken to brown it, then slowly cook it in a very small amount of water with the lid on tightly? The problem with trying to help students cook is that the poor things have NOTHING. They usually don't even have a pan. I will be relieved when cookiemonster is being fed properly by the CalTech staff.
I have a pan with a lid! And I have a mini pan... And I even have a pan that I could fit my head in--with a lid. It's the biggest pan I've ever seen. I have lots of pans.
cookiemonster
jimmy p
Jul13-04, 08:27 PM
Tonight I had potato and cake
Moonbear
Jul13-04, 08:42 PM
Holly, I looked at the pre-cooked and it wasn't anywhere near $3! They were like $13! And none of the produce was on sale, and none of it looked too good, either... A few weeks ago they had strawberries for like 60% off and I bought some of those, but now they're back up to their normal costliness.
But I was thinking of buying some chicken, throwing it in a pan, and throwing it on the stove. Think it'll work?
cookiemonster
Alrighty, cookiemonster, let's set you up with a nice, healthy recipe for chicken cooked on a stove. As I was explaining to the new grad student in my lab, we can't allow our students to starve. We tried that method of training and the experiment was a horrible failure; we now realize our students are much more productive when they are well-fed.
Starving Student Cooking Lesson #1:
Tools required: one big frying pan with a lid, a fork or metal salad tongs, a big spoon (wooden or plastic if you have a nonstick pan so you don't scratch your pan), a sharp knife, and one big pot with a lid.
Optional equipment if available: measuring spoons
Get yourself some chicken pieces...bone in, it will give you more flavor as it cooks (sometimes whole chickens are cheaper per pound than chicken parts, you can cut up a whole chicken if you have a good knife). Oh, and do you have a freezer? If you do, then you can make just a couple pieces of the chicken now and freeze the rest to use another day.
Take the skin off the chicken, pat it dry with a paper towel. I always believe in adding a little seasoning to the meat before you cook it so that flavor gets sealed in when you start cooking. For this meal, a little salt and black pepper will do the trick.
In a frying pan (a big one), heat some cooking oil (use a medium to medium-high flame...and keep an eye on it...never walk away from oil on a stove, and if it starts to smoke, you've overheated the oil and are at risk of a fire...turn off the stove and throw a lid on the pan right away). You don't need a lot of oil, just enough to coat the bottom of the pan lightly when you swirl it around (about 2 tbsp if you have measuring spoons), you don't need to drown your chicken in it! Cook the chicken in the oil about 15 minutes, or until it starts to brown (light brown, not black! Not surprisingly, this process is called "browning" the chicken). Oh, if you have some sort of tongs...salad tongs will do...that will be easiest for turning the chicken in the pan, otherwise, use a fork or even two forks to grab ahold of it to turn it a few times while cooking so it's cooked through from both sides. Be careful not to get splattered with hot oil!!!!
When the chicken is nearly done (almost brown on both sides), add a sliced onion and a clove of garlic, minced (a clove is ONE of the little pieces that break off a head of garlic...a head of garlic is the whole thing you buy in the store; minced means cut in very small pieces...a mincing shortcut for the starving student: smash your garlic clove with a can (the kind with veggies in them, not beer...wouldn't want to shake the beer), then just slice up the smashed garlic. When the onion starts to look clear (this will make sense when you see it happen), drain off the excess fat (pour it into the sink and run a lot of hot water after it so it doesn't clog your drain...use the lid of the pan to hold the chicken in it so it doesn't all fall in the sink too).
Return the pan with the chicken to the stove.
Chop up half of a green pepper (chopped means small pieces- about 1/2 inch squares, this doesn't need to be precise or anything), and add that to the pan, along with 1 can of tomatoes (7.5 oz will do)...or if you can afford fresh tomatoes, use those (1/2 lb of fresh tomatoes doesn't cost much more than a can of tomatoes depending on the season). You can also add some mushrooms if you like...again, either add several fresh mushrooms cut into slices, or get a small can of mushrooms and add those (drain out the liquid first).
Add some additional seasoning if you wish - oregano is an inexpensive seasoning and will go a long way...just a 1/4 teaspoon will do (or if you don't have measuring spoons, a BIG pinch).
You can also add a little white wine to this if you have some around...any kind will do, but it's not required if you don't have it.
Stir everything together with your big spoon, when the tomatoes start bubbling, reduce the heat down to low or medium-low, give it one more stir, put the lid on the pan, and let it simmer (that's really slow bubbles) until the chicken is nice and tender (about a half hour to 40 minutes). Occassionally give it a stir and turn the chicken.
Once you have everything in the pan and it is simmering, get your big pot and put water in it. Add a little salt to the water and put it on the stove. Turn the stove to HIGH and bring the water to a boil (really bubbling like crazy, not just small bubbles starting to rise), add whatever kind of pasta you like to the water. Let the water return to a boil, then reduce the heat just a little to keep the water boiling, but to avoid boiling over the side of the pot, and cook for the amount of time the pasta box says to cook for (usually about 12 minutes for most types). When the pasta is done, drain off the water.
The chicken should be nearly done by then. When it is done (if in doubt, just take two forks, stick them down to the bone and separate the chicken a little to see if there is any pink blood still inside near the bone...if so, keep cooking, if it's white all the way through, it's done...scoop some pasta onto a plate or bowl, stick a piece of chicken on the pasta, scoop up some of the tomato sauce and pour that on top, and you have a delicious meal, cheap!
This is basically the starving student version of chicken cacciatore. I tried to remember to include all the necessary instructions, but as long as all the ingredients wind up in the pan and cooked, you really can't go wrong...if all you're feeding are a bunch of male students, they won't notice if the pepper is chopped or sliced or if the garlic was perfectly minced. Plus, this also makes a good meal for a date...just add a candle to the table and you're all set to impress!
Sorry, Moonbear, I feel stupid now, I put a very dumb recipe on the other thread for cookiemonster, let's hope he gets to yours first, it's much tastier. WOW.
Moonbear
Jul13-04, 09:12 PM
Sorry, Moonbear, I feel stupid now, I put a very dumb recipe on the other thread for cookiemonster, let's hope he gets to yours first, it's much tastier. WOW.
LOL! Tasty food doesn't have to be expensive or difficult to cook. A lot can be made from some basic, cheap ingredients. Actually, I've noticed that a few ingredients are very common across most cultures, and with just a few different spices, you can make a whole variety of dishes. Some of those are tomatoes (easy to buy in cans whenever they are on sale), garlic, onion (both of which can be stored room temp if you don't have a refrigerator, such as in a dorm, though should still be kept cool), green peppers (those won't keep very long without refrigeration, but will be okay a day or two if necessary), carrots and celery (which do need to be kept refrigerated), and potatoes or pasta (of course pasta keeps well on a shelf, while potatoes are cheap to buy a whole bag). Hint...don't keep your potatoes and onions in the same crisper drawer in the fridge...something in onions will make your potatoes grow those nasty eyes more rapidly.
Then a few basic seasonings: salt, pepper, oregano, garlic and onion powder (for when you don't have fresh...it's not nearly the same taste, but better than nothing), thyme (good on poultry, but more expensive, so you can do without if necessary), and bay leaves (for beef stews).
The hardest part of cooking when still a student is that you usually have a pretty sparse kitchen, unlike the plethora of gadgets available at mom's house. So, learning to improvise on things like measuring cups and measuring spoons, cooking things where exact proportions aren't all that important, and using as few pots as possible (I have a lot of one or two pot recipes).
And don't worry, I was a student for a very long time, so had a lot of opportunity to perfect these recipes. Maybe I should write a book :-)
cookiemonster
Jul14-04, 12:33 AM
Heh. The fact that the instructions are about as long as the first three pages of this thread is daunting, but now that I think about it, it's just because it was dumbed down for dumb little me. =]
Get yourself some chicken pieces...bone in, it will give you more flavor as it cooks (sometimes whole chickens are cheaper per pound than chicken parts, you can cut up a whole chicken if you have a good knife). Oh, and do you have a freezer? If you do, then you can make just a couple pieces of the chicken now and freeze the rest to use another day.
Sadly, we have no knives. We have some miniature saws on sticks that proclaim themselves knives but really aren't, but I don't think they could handle a chicken...
The chicken should be nearly done by then. When it is done (if in doubt, just take two forks, stick them down to the bone and separate the chicken a little to see if there is any pink blood still inside near the bone...if so, keep cooking, if it's white all the way through, it's done...scoop some pasta onto a plate or bowl, stick a piece of chicken on the pasta, scoop up some of the tomato sauce and pour that on top, and you have a delicious meal, cheap!
Where'd the mysterious tomato sauce come from? The pan with the chicken?
... they won't notice if the pepper is chopped or sliced...
There's a difference between chopping and slicing...? :confused:
Plus, this also makes a good meal for a date...just add a candle to the table and you're all set to impress!
She'd never believe I made it. =\
I think I'll have to go grab some stuff from the store and try this sometime. Hopefully without burning down the apartment... Should I be worried that this would be more work than my parents have ever put into dinner?
cookiemonster
Last night I had
1. winter melon soup - basically winter melon + salt + water, boiled for 30 minutes, noted for its cooling effect.
2. brown bread + avocado slices + honey.
Tonight if I am adventurous, I will make a tomato (4)+potato(1)+apple(1)+pork(US$1.2) soup (cook for 1 1/2 - 2 hours). If not then a repeat of 2 above.
Moonbear
Jul14-04, 08:39 AM
Heh. The fact that the instructions are about as long as the first three pages of this thread is daunting, but now that I think about it, it's just because it was dumbed down for dumb little me. =]
Well, I did add a lot of extra instructions, it would have been just a few short lines following an ingredients list for someone who does a lot of cooking. It's not as hard as it looks.
Sadly, we have no knives. We have some miniature saws on sticks that proclaim themselves knives but really aren't, but I don't think they could handle a chicken...
Okay, miniature saws on sticks will not cut up a chicken. You'll have to splurge on chicken that's already cut into pieces. Fortunately, they sell it this way at the store. A halfway decent knife is a worthy investment. It's usually one of the first things men add to their kitchen, because playing with knives is fun.
Where'd the mysterious tomato sauce come from? The pan with the chicken?
You added tomato to the chicken (about halfway down the instructions). It's just the tomato that the chicken is stewing in...don't leave it in the pan to let it go to waste! That's valuable food there!
There's a difference between chopping and slicing...? :confused:
Indeed, there is. Chopping makes little squares (or rectangles) out of the food. Slicing makes slices :biggrin: See, this is why the instructions are practically 3 pages long. But, with this particular recipe, it really doesn't matter which you do, so don't worry about it, just brown the chicken and then get all the other ingredients into the pan in some form or another and you'll be okay.
She'd never believe I made it. =\
Well, you should try serving it while still hot, so that would mean she'd get to see you cooking it (I suggest you practice making the dishes a few times before you try to impress a date with your cooking skills), so she'd have to believe it. Trust me, men who can cook are VERY attractive to women!
I think I'll have to go grab some stuff from the store and try this sometime. Hopefully without burning down the apartment... Should I be worried that this would be more work than my parents have ever put into dinner?
cookiemonster
Oh, you poor, poor thing. Actually, once you've made it once and are comfortable with cutting up veggies, you'll find it's a very easy recipe. It sounds like a lot, but it's just a few ingredients all cut up and thrown into a pan (you'll have to cut onions, garlic and green peppers, the rest of the ingredients can be gotten out of a can if cutting up fresh is that scary...you do have a can opener, right?) that requires very little attention and very little clean up. There's a LOT to be said for easy clean-up! If you can make a complicated sounding dish in just one pot, the extra time cooking is well worth the time saved during the clean-up (well, assuming you don't burn too much to the bottom of the pan).
Bon Appetit!
Polly, despite our rhyming names, I feel no affinity for your supper menu choices. The idea of honey touching a slice of Divine Avocado is enough to make one Hurl. However, the horrid honey-avocado combination sounds delightful after reading about the apple-laced "soup" you intend to make.
Of course you realize I am just being obnoxious...
Math Is Hard
Jul14-04, 12:54 PM
My mom used to make ketchup soup when I was a little girl and we were poor. Actually I didn't eat the soup, she would eat it and spend the money she saved on her meal to buy me real food to eat.
Oooh. I used to eat ketchup sandwiches. We used to love them.
And to think I had a fond feeling for Math is Hard and BobG. Hmph. I HATE KETCHUP. I HATE CATSUP. I put a potholder on if I have to even TOUCH the bottle.
Math is Hard, your story of the ketchup soup is sad. An elder sister, very poor, once bought a little birthday cake at reduced price, for her two-year-old. It had "Happy Birthday Shelly" lettered on it; her daughter's name is Katie. I sometimes wondered if "Shelly's" mother was too poor even for the pathetic little grocery-store cake. *sniff* I can still see my neice's delighted eyes when she surveyed the cake. It turned me into what I am today: A Communist for Christ.
cookiemonster
Jul14-04, 04:01 PM
Ketchup is bad. =\
But I have a friend that loves it. I've never seen him eat a meal without it. Ketchup on his burgers, ketchup on his pancakes, ketchup on his chicken, and lots of it, too! He went through a third of a bottle of ketchup at breakfast one time... The breakfast before the first round of the state tennis tournament, no less. He (and I) regretted it once he got on the court and could hardly move!
Well, you should try serving it while still hot, so that would mean she'd get to see you cooking it (I suggest you practice making the dishes a few times before you try to impress a date with your cooking skills), so she'd have to believe it. Trust me, men who can cook are VERY attractive to women!
I'll have plenty of chances to practice before I have an opportunity like that. I'm a bit worried that I won't have enough kitchens, though. I might lose the first one or two...
Okay, miniature saws on sticks will not cut up a chicken. You'll have to splurge on chicken that's already cut into pieces. Fortunately, they sell it this way at the store. A halfway decent knife is a worthy investment. It's usually one of the first things men add to their kitchen, because playing with knives is fun.
Where exactly do you get knives, anyway? We once had a salesman come to our house and try to sell us knives, and we cut a penny in half. That was kinda fun. But I don't think I'd buy a knife from anybody that'd suggest using it on a penny. Pennies are meant for being thrown, not being cut.
cookiemonster
Monique
Jul14-04, 04:36 PM
Ketchup is bad. =\
Actually, in the US ketchup is catagorized as a vegetable (some president did that) and ketchup is healthier than fresh tomatoes, because it is more concentrated.. supposedly..
cookiemonster
Jul14-04, 05:23 PM
Hah! I'm 17! I don't consider the health content of my food! I was referring to taste, naturally.
cookiemonster
Moonbear
Jul14-04, 07:03 PM
I'll have plenty of chances to practice before I have an opportunity like that. I'm a bit worried that I won't have enough kitchens, though. I might lose the first one or two...
Nah, just keep a chair or stepladder around to shut off the smoke detector when you burn stuff and get tired of it shrieking at you. :biggrin:
Seriously, that's why you should always have lids for the frying pans. If you do start a grease fire (that's really the only time you're going to set the kitchen on fire as long as you stay nearby and don't forget you put something on the stove), you can slam the lid down on the pan to put it out or toss on baking soda (given what you've described of your kitchen so far, I'm guessing baking soda isn't readily handy). Whatever you do, NEVER NEVER NEVER throw water or use a fire extinguisher on a grease fire...it will flare up worse as the flaming oil splatters out of the pan! Just think of it like a big chemistry lab...have the proper safety equipment on hand. :wink:
Where exactly do you get knives, anyway? We once had a salesman come to our house and try to sell us knives, and we cut a penny in half. That was kinda fun. But I don't think I'd buy a knife from anybody that'd suggest using it on a penny. Pennies are meant for being thrown, not being cut.
cookiemonster
Ack! :surprise: No, don't buy one they try to sell you by showing you how well it cuts pennies or aluminum cans or nails or anything else, unless you need another saw on a stick.
At an absolute minimum, the knives one should start out with are one 6" utility knife and one 8" chef knife. You can find them in the cookware section of any department store. Farberware is an inexpensive brand that is good to start off with. You might even find them in the grocery store if yours has an aisle stocked with baking pans and kitchen gadgets.
There are certainly some really high end knives that will last you a lifetime with proper care, but they are very expensive, so not good as a starter set (good weight to them, drop forged steel, single piece of steel forms the blade and shank for the handle to give it stability...once you've gotten spoiled on those, you'll never be able to go back to cheap knives, so settle for drooling over those for a while...besides, those have blades so sharp, you won't even feel them when you cut yourself...that's a bad thing when first learning to cook).
But, just wait, once you start doing a little cooking, it won't be long before you need to wear blinders to walk past all the gadgets and fancy knives. They're gadgets afterall, and how can anyone not have gadgets?! :biggrin:
Moonbear
Jul14-04, 07:12 PM
Oooh. I used to eat ketchup sandwiches. We used to love them.
That's as bad as the mayonnaise sandwiches I've been known to eat. Something my grandparents and dad taught me (much to my Mom's horror), and is something of a comfort food for me. That's definitely an easy recipe...take two slices of bread, generously spread on some mayo, stick the two slices of bread together, mayo sides facing each other. Eat! I've gotten more refined taste as I've gotten older. I now make my mayo sandwiches with whole grain breads rather than Wonderbread.
For a slight variation, add some sliced onion to the sandwich. That was another I got from my grandparents. Put butter on the bread rather than mayo for the best onion sandwiches. (My grandparents had to survive the Great Depression with small children to feed, so they often ate some strange things so they could give the better food to the kids...some of those things stuck with them and got passed down to my generation).
Polly, despite our rhyming names, I feel no affinity for your supper menu choices. The idea of honey touching a slice of Divine Avocado is enough to make one Hurl. However, the horrid honey-avocado combination sounds delightful after reading about the apple-laced "soup" you intend to make.
Of course you realize I am just being obnoxious...
LOL, no offence taken. I eat the strangest things that require minimal cooking. Back in university days when I was a vegetarian and had to watch my money I must have had tons of boiled to-fu with dashes of soya sauce and sesame oil, braised peanuts with soya sauce, as well as containers of toasts with jam. I also had 1/2 kg of scalded vegetable everyday :eek: .
Math Is Hard
Jul14-04, 10:35 PM
Anyone ever make those dorm-room grilled cheese sandwiches? Take two slices of bread, put a couple of slices of American cheese in the middle (and a little mayo if desired), wrap the whole thing up in aluminum foil, then press with a hot iron.
Unwrap and eat. Voila!
Moonbear
Jul14-04, 11:37 PM
Anyone ever make those dorm-room grilled cheese sandwiches? Take two slices of bread, put a couple of slices of American cheese in the middle (and a little mayo if desired), wrap the whole thing up in aluminum foil, then press with a hot iron.
Unwrap and eat. Voila!
Aluminum foil? But then you don't brown the bread as nicely as applying the iron directly to it. Why didn't we think of aluminum foil when I was in college? :cry: We just risked having to clean cheese off the iron.
Math Is Hard
Jul14-04, 11:43 PM
Aluminum foil? But then you don't brown the bread as nicely as applying the iron directly to it.
Good point! I think maybe it would enhance the sandwich if after the aluminum foil cooking/melting, one were to give the bread a quick touch-up toasting with the bare iron.
Cookiemonster - take notes. :biggrin:
cookiemonster
Jul15-04, 12:17 AM
I don't own an iron. :frown: And I'd probably hurt myself if I did.
cookiemonster
I'm not even going to say what I have managed to cook over a candle. With a little improvised wire rack and my trusty metal measuring cup, voila - instant stove and grill. It just takes patience.
Cookiemonster, you're 17, hmmm, I have two daughters...16 & 19. :biggrin:
cookiemonster
Jul15-04, 12:26 AM
Do you keep them on short leashes like a certain other daughter's parents I know?
cookiemonster
Do you keep them on short leashes like a certain other daughter's parents I know?
cookiemonsterNo, I trust them to have brains. So far, they have earned that trust.
cookiemonster
Jul15-04, 12:31 AM
You're a good mother.
cookiemonster
You're a good mother.
cookiemonsterThat's what everyone says. :approve:
I just don't believe in trying to control every moment of their lives. I think it is better to guide your child into making sensible decisions and letting them suffer the minor consequences of bad decisions rather than dictate their every move.
cookiemonster
Jul15-04, 12:58 AM
They have that new trading mothers show! Wanna be somebody else's mother for a day? I got the perfect candidate...
cookiemonster
They have that new trading mothers show! Wanna be somebody else's mother for a day? I got the perfect candidate...
cookiemonster :biggrin: I'd have a lynch mob after me. My condolences to your girlfriend.
Funny, looking at my kid's friends, the wildest, most rebelious have the most controlling parents and it's because the parents are so controlling.
Oh well, if you break up with your girlfriend, let me know. :wink:
cookiemonster
Jul15-04, 01:23 AM
Ah, well, they're kinda in for a surprise when she goes off to college...
And I think I've been a bad influence on her, so.
cookiemonster
Moonbear
Jul15-04, 10:45 PM
:biggrin: I'd have a lynch mob after me. My condolences to your girlfriend.
Funny, looking at my kid's friends, the wildest, most rebelious have the most controlling parents and it's because the parents are so controlling.
Oh well, if you break up with your girlfriend, let me know. :wink:
Oh, I agree about controlling parents leading to rebellious children! They don't learn to make their own decisions because their parents make all of them for them, so the moment they are out of their parents' house, they make a LOT of bad decisions! I think it's much better to let your kids make bad decisions when they are younger so they can learn from their mistakes when a bad decision is still fairly minor compared to when they are older and bad decisions can be life altering.
Oh, I agree about controlling parents leading to rebellious children! They don't learn to make their own decisions because their parents make all of them for them, so the moment they are out of their parents' house, they make a LOT of bad decisions! I think it's much better to let your kids make bad decisions when they are younger so they can learn from their mistakes when a bad decision is still fairly minor compared to when they are older and bad decisions can be life altering.Exactly! You said it so much better than me. I see this all the time. The poor kid has never been allowed to make a decision, then suddenly they are away at college, have absolutely no experience, they have all of this pent up frustration of being controlled all of their lives and now they can do anything they want and they usually do. Sometimes with very bad results.
Why is it some parents don't understand that they need to prepare their children for life instead of isolating them from it?
cookiemonster
Jul15-04, 11:20 PM
Two words: "Living vicariously."
cookiemonster
The Bob
Jul16-04, 03:35 AM
I dunno how we have got to parenting but I feel Evo is right. Us children need to make the mistakes first as youngsters. I haven't made too many large ones because my dad would pound it into my head it was wrong before I get anywhere near the situation so I was prepared for things I didn't know about. Amazing really.
The Bob (2004 ©)
P.S. When I say pounding I don't mean hit. I mean repetition.
Hmph. All this freedom for tots! Never! I watch mine like a HAWK. Oh, he howls about it, threatens to go totally wild at college, blah blah blah. I've got him in a school where you can't date until after graduation (cookiemonster, you're MUCH too young, honey, to be dating and, er, other things), too. Plus a strictness of mind is practiced. I know where he is every minute. Can't run with guys who are wild. etc etc All this wonderful, astute mothering, and the kid says he hates me.
note to self: stop typing with eyes shut
cookiemonster
Jul16-04, 10:36 AM
I graduated. :wink:
cookiemonster
The Bob
Jul16-04, 01:08 PM
Hmph. All this freedom for tots! Never! I watch mine like a HAWK. Oh, he howls about it, threatens to go totally wild at college, blah blah blah. I've got him in a school where you can't date until after graduation (cookiemonster, you're MUCH too young, honey, to be dating and, er, other things), too. Plus a strictness of mind is practiced. I know where he is every minute. Can't run with guys who are wild. etc etc All this wonderful, astute mothering, and the kid says he hates me.
note to self: stop typing with eyes shut
Over-protective??? And what is wrong with young dating??
The Bob (2004 ©)
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