How do I prove [a+,[a+,a]]=0 for quantum oscillator operators?

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The discussion focuses on proving the commutation relations for quantum oscillator operators, specifically demonstrating that [a+, [a+, a]] = 0 and [a, [a+, a]] = 0. The participants reference the fundamental properties of raising (a+) and lowering (a) operators, emphasizing that [a, a+] = 1 is a key relation. The use of the formula [A, [B, C]] = -[C, [A, B]] - [B, [C, A]] is highlighted as a method to simplify the proofs, although confusion arises regarding the application of this formula in specific cases.

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Homework Statement


Actually the original question is too long but I need help for this tiny part that confuses me. I'll be done if I can show that
[a+,[a+,a]]=0 and similarly
[a,[a+,a]]=0
[a,[a,a+]]=0 etc
where a+ is the raising and a is the lowering ladder operator in quantum oscillator.

Homework Equations


I tried the formulas
[A,[B,C]]= -[C,[A,B]] -[B,[C,A]] and
a[tex]\psi[/tex]n=[tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex][tex]\psi[/tex]n-1
a+[tex]\psi[/tex]n=[tex]\sqrt{n+1}[/tex][tex]\psi[/tex]n+1

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When I use the formula I found
[a+,[a+, a]]= -[a,[a+,a+]]- [a+,[a,a+]]
On the rhs, first term is zero but I have no idea about the second

Also I tried to use [tex]\psi[/tex]n for this operator but it gives something like
[a,[a,a+]][tex]\psi[/tex]n=(n3/2+1)[tex]\psi[/tex]n-(n3/2+n1/2)[tex]\psi[/tex]n-1
which does not seem to be zero, trivially.
 
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You are making this way too complicated. Isn't [a,a^(+)]=1? Isn't that what a raising/lowering operator means?
 

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