Assertion when assuming g = 9.8 or 10

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of gravitational acceleration, g, in relation to height above the Earth's surface and depth below water. Participants explore how g varies with altitude and depth, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that g is not a function of height, questioning up to what height this assumption holds true.
  • Others suggest that the variation of g with height can be calculated using the formula g = GM_{earth} / r^2, indicating that accuracy requirements influence how much g changes with height.
  • One participant raises a concern about how pressure is calculated using the formula ρgh at great depths, suggesting that this may not accurately reflect the pressure in deep water.
  • Another participant clarifies that g does not depend on whether one is on land or in the ocean, emphasizing that it is primarily a function of height.
  • A later reply discusses the free air correction, stating that gravity decreases approximately 3.086 µm/s² for every meter of altitude above the surface, while it increases by 0.2222 mGal for every meter of depth in seawater.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the original question, indicating a lack of clarity in the discussion.
  • Another participant questions whether gravity is influenced by the density of the fluid if the gravitational field of the fluid itself is not considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the extent to which g varies with height and depth, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on accuracy requirements for calculations of g, as well as unresolved assumptions regarding the effects of fluid density on gravitational measurements.

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1) g is not a function of height...or till what height above the Earth's surface can it be considered as...roughly true?

2) aaa...that's about it I guess...but won't it matter with the depth of the sea...I mean we assume pressure as ρgh...but with great depths like of the pacific...it will matter I guess; so the pressure of a the water column equal to the depth of the sea will be less than ρgh (I don't know how does does this formula come actually).

Same can be said about the air column.
 
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dE_logics said:
1) g is not a function of height...or till what height above the Earth's surface can it be considered as...roughly true?

It depends on how much accuracy you need. Calculate

[tex]g = \frac {GM_{earth}} {r^2} = \frac {GM_{earth}} {(R_{earth} + h)^2}[/tex]

for various values of h to get a feeling for how much g changes with h.
 
I was basically asking if I was right about what I said...was I right?
 
The gravitational acceleration, g, does not depend on whether you're in the ocean or on land. It simply is a function of the height approximately.
 
Pengwuino said:
The gravitational acceleration, g, does not depend on whether you're in the ocean or on land. It simply is a function of the height approximately.
That's not the question at hand. The question is how much gravity varies with altitude above land (or water) versus how much gravity varies with depth below water.

To first order, the answer to the first question, gravity as a function of altitude, is given by the free air correction. Gravity decreases about 3.086 µm/s2 for every meter of altitude above the surface, or 0.3086 mGal/m (a galileo (Gal) is 1 cm/s2, so an milligal (mGal) is 10 µm/s2).

The answer to the second question, gravity as a function of depth, is given by the free air correction plus a double Bouguer correction. For sea water, density = 1.03 g/cc, this means gravity increases by 0.2222 mGal for every meter of depth.

All in all, pretty dang small.
 
Ah, ok, I could hardly make heads or tails of the question so I just took a shot in the dark haha
 
For sea water, density = 1.03 g/cc, this means gravity increases by 0.2222 mGal for every meter of depth.

I was wondering gravity would not be the function of density of the fluid if you're not considering the gravitational field of the fluid itself.
 

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