A 2.0 kg mass is attached to one end of a spring

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The discussion revolves around a physics homework problem involving two masses attached to a spring on a frictionless surface. Participants are examining the implications of the observed motion and the forces acting on the system, specifically regarding the state of the spring and the initial conditions of the masses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the correctness of the answer provided by their peer, seeking clarification on the implications of the observed speeds and forces acting on the masses.
  • Another participant supports the answer D, suggesting that comparing the ratios of the speeds and masses could provide insight into the situation.
  • Some participants argue that without knowing the natural length of the spring, it is impossible to determine whether the spring is compressed or extended at the time of observation.
  • One participant highlights that if the masses were initially at rest, they would not be moving, thus questioning the validity of option C.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of conservation of momentum, calculating the momentum of the system and suggesting that the initial momentum being non-zero implies that something must have been moving initially.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the observed motion and the state of the spring. While some support the answer D, others raise questions about the assumptions involved, indicating that there is no clear consensus on the correct interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unknown natural length of the spring and the lack of clarity regarding the initial conditions of the masses, which affects the ability to definitively conclude the state of the spring or the motion of the masses.

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I am currently taking physics right now and i had the following question on a homework assignment. I have the right answer but i don't believe its correct. Can anyone help me prove him wrong or give me a better explanation of why his answer is correct?

-------here is the problem-----------
A 2.0 kg mass is attached to one end of a spring with a spring constant of 100 N/m and a 4.0 kg mass is attached to the other end. The masses are placed on a horizontal frictionless surface and set into motion. At one instant the 2.0 kg mass is observed to be traveling to the right with a speed of 0.50 m/s and the 4.0 kg mass is observed to be traveling to the left with a speed of 0.30 m/s. Since the only forces acting are the force of gravity, the normal force of the surface, and the force of the spring, we conclude that:
A) the spring is compressed at the time of the observation
B) the spring is not compressed at the time of observation
C) the motion was started with the masses at rest
D) the motion was started with at least one of masses moving
E) the motion was started by compressing the spring \

he said the answer was D can anyone help?
a picture is attached to help see both ways

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No, he is correct.

Compare the ratios of the speeds and masses of the two weights.
 
A)As we don't know the natural length of the spring and the length at the observation, we can't say spring is compressed or extended.
B) same as above.
C)If so, masses stay still.
E)Starting by compressing and stretching both can make the same motion. We can't say so.
Remaining D) is correct.
 
I think it has to do with the conservation of momentum. The momentum of the system is
m1*v1 - m2*v2 (the signs can be changed if you change the reference system) = 2*0.5 - 4*0.3 = -0.2 N/s
So the initial momentum of the system is not 0 => something was initially moving...
 

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