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nobahar
Oct29-09, 01:12 PM
Is it possible to simplify this?
\frac{a}{2^a}
It's actually part of a limit:
2\lim_{n\rightarrow\infty}(\sum_{a=4}^{n}\frac{a}{ 2^a})
The limit I'm hoping tends to 3/4 as n tends to infinity. It certainly appears to do so when I plotted a graph of a/(2^a).
Any little hints? Tried logs but got nowhere: I still end up with an 'a' on the top and bottom. I'm assuming that I need to elliminate it from either the numerator or the denominator.
Thanks in advance.
nobahar
Oct29-09, 01:20 PM
Okay, I got:
10^{\log{a}-a.C}
Where C=log{2}.
I don't know what to do with this.
Does this help:
\frac{d}{da} \left ( \frac{-1}{2^a} \left ) = \frac{a}{2^{a + 1}}
nobahar
Oct29-09, 04:19 PM
I couldn't get the same result. I got:
\frac{d}{da} \left (\frac{-1}{2^a} \left ) = \frac {d}{da} (-1 * 2^{-a}) = \frac{\ln {2}}{2^a}
Because:
f(a)= \frac{-1}{2^a} = -1 * 2^{-a}
\ln {f(a)} = -1 * -a * \ln {2}
\frac{d}{da} \left (\ln {f(a)} \left ) = \ln {2} * \frac{d}{da} (a)
\frac {1}{f(a)} * \frac{d}{da} f(a) = 1 * \ln {2}
\frac{d}{da} f(a) = f(a) * \ln {2} = \frac{-1}{2^a} * \ln {2} = \frac{-\ln {2}}{2^a}
Is my calculus out?
Am I trying to establish the following?:
\int_4^\infty (\frac{a}{2a}) da
Any help much appreciated, thanks so much for the responses.
I couldn't get the same result. I got:
\frac{d}{da} \left (\frac{-1}{2^a} \left ) = \frac {d}{da} (-1 * 2^{-a}) = \frac{\ln {2}}{2^a}
Wolfram alpha says you are right:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=d%28-1%2F2%5Ea%29%2Fda
You could approximate
2 \sum_{a=4}^{\infty}\frac{a}{ 2^a}
by this integral:
2 \int_4^{\infty} \frac{x dx}{2^x}
assuming that both converge.
nobahar
Oct29-09, 04:43 PM
Thanks for the replies guys!
I'm really sorry, I don't understand.
I thought
\sum_4^\infty \left (\frac{a}{2^a} \left ) would be a less accurate approximation of \int_4^\infty \left (\frac{a}{2^a} \left ) da;
and that
\int_4^\infty \left (\frac{a}{2^a} \left ) da = \int_4^\infty \left (\frac{x}{2^x} \left ) dx when a = x
That is, are they not the same?
assuming that both converge.
I'm assuming they do as you have suggested it! But how do I make a safe assumption that this is the case?
Thanks again!
There's the Integral Test for infinite series...
BTW, this is not a Precalculus problem. It should be in the Calculus and Beyond section.
nobahar
Oct29-09, 05:17 PM
There's the Integral Test for infinite series...
Thanks, I'll look it up. Might need to wish me luck!.....
BTW, this is not a Precalculus problem. It should be in the Calculus and Beyond section.
Apologies, but I didn't know that it would entail calculus.
Once again, thanks for all your help!
nobahar
Oct29-09, 05:34 PM
You could approximate
2 \sum_{a=4}^{\infty}\frac{a}{ 2^a}
by this integral:
2 \int_4^{\infty} \frac{x dx}{2^x}
How do I go about doing this? It's difficult to integrate the function. I tried the easy way out by using the calculator but that didn't work.
Change to 2 \int_4^{\infty} x e^{-x ln 2}dx}
This can probably be done by integration by parts, with u = x, and dv = e-x ln2dx. That's how I would start.
Also, since this is an improper integral, you would need to take a limit:
2 \lim_{b \rightarrow \infty} \int_4^b x e^{-x ln 2}dx}
nobahar
Oct29-09, 05:51 PM
Thanks Mark, it seems you always come to my rescue.
Do I integrate first with the limit present for b?
i.e. \int_4^b x e^{-x ln 2}dx}, then employ the limit?
I am not familiar with this, it's more 'advanced' than what I have come across so far.
I'll go away and have a crack at it tomorrow, start afresh. (It's fairly late in Merry Old England.)
Once again, thanks for the continuing help.
Yes, integrate first, which will give you an expression involving b. Then take the limit.
lol sorry about that nobahar, my mistake.
nobahar
Oct30-09, 04:55 PM
lol sorry about that nobahar, my mistake.
No problem!
I attempted to integrate the function:
\int xe^{-x \ln{2}} dx = \frac{x * e^{-x \ln{2}}}{- \ln{2}} \left \left - \left \left \frac{e^{-x \ln{2}}}{(\ln{2})^2} = \left - \left \frac{(\ln {2})^2 * x * e^{-x \ln{2}} - e^{-x \ln{2}} * \ln{2}}{(\ln{2})^3} = \left - \left \frac{\ln{2} * x * e^{-x \ln{2}} - e^{-x \ln{2}}}{(\ln{2})^2}
(Including +C)
Is this correct so far?
nobahar
Oct30-09, 05:05 PM
Attempt to 'simplify':
\left - \left \frac{e^{-x \ln{2}}(\ln{2} * x + 1)}{(\ln{2})^2}
Assuming that you did integration by parts correctly (I didn't check), and that you ended up with this, about the only thing I can see to do to simplify it is replace e-xln2 with 1/2x.
nobahar
Oct31-09, 02:21 PM
I'll post the workings.
\int xe^{-x \ln{2}} dx
u = x \left \left and \left \left \frac{dv}{dx} = e^{-x \ln{2}} \left \left then \left \left \frac{du}{dx} = 1 \left \left and \left \left v = \int e^{-x \ln{2}} dx = \frac{e^{-x \ln{2}}}{- \ln{2}}
\int xe^{-x \ln{2}} dx = \frac{xe^{-x \ln{2}}}{- \ln{2}} \left \left - \left \left \int \frac{e^{-x \ln{2}}}{- \ln{2}} dx = \frac{xe^{-x \ln{2}}}{- \ln{2}} \left \left - \left \left \frac{e^{-x \ln{2}}}{(\ln{2})^2}
Okay, so:
\frac{x \ln{2} + 1}{2^x(\ln{2})^2}
Now I need:
\lim_{b \rightarrow \infty}[\frac{x \ln{2} + 1}{2^x(\ln{2})^2}]^{x=b}_{x=4}]
I don't know how to do this. Where would I start?
It seems to me that JG89's comment is in the right direction of the usual way to work this problem. It does involve a trick that you'll need to see spelled out in detail. Remember it and use it to solve similar problems. Consider for some positive integer n the function
f(x) = \frac{x^n}{2^n}
It is everywhere continuous and differentiable, and its derivative is
f'(x) = \frac{n}{2^n}x^{n-1}
Next, consider the sum:
F_n(x) = \sum_{a=4}^n \frac{x^a}{2^a}
so that we have a geometric series, i.e.
F_n(x) = \sum_{a=4}^n \frac{x^a}{2^a} = \frac{x^4/16 - x^5/2^{n+1}}{1-x/2}
The final step is to take the derivative:
F'_n(x) = \sum_{a=4}^n \frac{a}{2^a}x^{a-1} = \frac{(x^3/4-5x^4/2^{n+1})(1-x/2) + 1/2(x^4/16-x^5/2^{n+1})}{(1-x/2)^2}
Notice that
\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} F'_n(1) = \sum_{a=4}^\infty \frac{a}{2^a} = 5/4
is the limit that you are looking for.
That's truly amazing. Many, many thanks Tedjn. Initially, it's a little hard to follow because the derivitive is of the variable x, but then you take the sum of a. But I think I understand it. I'll work through it again.
Once again, many thanks.
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