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jfierro
Nov18-09, 01:17 AM
This is from Sadiku's Elements of electromagnetics. I have come to a result but it's different from that of the book.

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Three identical small spheres of mass m are suspended by threads of negligible
masses and equal length l from a common point. A charge Q is divided equally
between the spheres and they come to equilibrium at the corners of a horizontal equilateral
triangle whose sides are d. Show that

Q^2 = 12\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3 \begin{bmatrix} l^2 - \frac{d^2}{3}\end{bmatrix}^{-\frac{1}{2}}


2. Relevant equations

F = \frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^2}\mathbf{a_r}

This is all given by the book.

3. The attempt at a solution

The way I see this problem is as follows:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6063/sadikuex4.png

P being the common point, Fe being the force exerted by the other 2 speheres, mg being the force exerted by gravity.
The equilateral triangle would be the top view, while the right triangle is a side view of one of the spheres.

The length of w in the right triangle is:

d\sqrt{3}

from the inscribed circle formula in an equilateral triangle.

If we define alpha as the P angle on the right-angle triangle, and T as the tension on each thread caused by both the electrostatic force and weight of a sphere, then:

T\sin \alpha = F_e

T\cos \alpha = mg

\frac{\sin \alpha}{\cos \alpha} = \frac{F_e}{mg} (1)

But, by the superposition principle:

F_e = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} + \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} = \frac{1}{2\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} (2)

where

q = \frac{Q}{3} (3)

is the charge of an individual sphere.

Now,

\tan \alpha = \frac{w}{h}

h = \frac{w}{\tan \alpha}

l^2 = \frac{w^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + w^2 = \frac{3d^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + 3d^2

\tan^2 \alpha = \frac{3d^2}{l^2 - 3d^2}

\tan \alpha = \sqrt{3}d( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}} (4)

Substituting (2), (3) and (4) in (1) and solving for Q yields:

Q^2 = 18\sqrt{3}\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}}

What's wrong?

Thanks and best regards.

willem2
Nov18-09, 02:08 AM
No time to read it all, but you should have d = \sqrt{3} w and not w = \sqrt{3} d

inti
Mar12-11, 07:34 AM
This is from Sadiku's Elements of electromagnetics. I have come to a result but it's different from that of the book.

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Three identical small spheres of mass m are suspended by threads of negligible
masses and equal length l from a common point. A charge Q is divided equally
between the spheres and they come to equilibrium at the corners of a horizontal equilateral
triangle whose sides are d. Show that

Q^2 = 12\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3 \begin{bmatrix} l^2 - \frac{d^2}{3}\end{bmatrix}^{-\frac{1}{2}}


2. Relevant equations

F = \frac{q_1q_2}{4\pi\epsilon_0R^2}\mathbf{a_r}

This is all given by the book.

3. The attempt at a solution

The way I see this problem is as follows:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6063/sadikuex4.png

P being the common point, Fe being the force exerted by the other 2 speheres, mg being the force exerted by gravity.
The equilateral triangle would be the top view, while the right triangle is a side view of one of the spheres.

The length of w in the right triangle is:

d\sqrt{3}

from the inscribed circle formula in an equilateral triangle.

If we define alpha as the P angle on the right-angle triangle, and T as the tension on each thread caused by both the electrostatic force and weight of a sphere, then:

T\sin \alpha = F_e

T\cos \alpha = mg

\frac{\sin \alpha}{\cos \alpha} = \frac{F_e}{mg} (1)

But, by the superposition principle:

F_e = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} + \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} = \frac{1}{2\pi\epsilon_0} \frac{q^2}{d^2} (2)

where

q = \frac{Q}{3} (3)

is the charge of an individual sphere.

Now,

\tan \alpha = \frac{w}{h}

h = \frac{w}{\tan \alpha}

l^2 = \frac{w^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + w^2 = \frac{3d^2}{\tan^2 \alpha} + 3d^2

\tan^2 \alpha = \frac{3d^2}{l^2 - 3d^2}

\tan \alpha = \sqrt{3}d( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}} (4)

Substituting (2), (3) and (4) in (1) and solving for Q yields:

Q^2 = 18\sqrt{3}\pi\epsilon_0mgd^3( l^2 - 3d^2 )^{-\frac{1}{2}}

What's wrong?

Thanks and best regards.

not understand how you get d=(3)^(1/2)

inti
Mar12-11, 07:35 AM
w=d(3)^(1/2)

saadqureshi
Mar12-11, 09:43 AM
w is not d*(3^1/2)
its d/(3^1/2)

in the picture youre looking at the pyramid from the top..

inti
Mar12-11, 10:38 AM
got the solution....thanks

saadqureshi
Mar12-11, 12:07 PM
Again looking at the pyramid from the top we see that the horizontal component of the force due to the two charges gets cancelled out...

saadqureshi
Mar12-11, 12:10 PM
in the end use the followin equation

tsin a/tcos a= Fe/mg

inti
Mar12-11, 11:15 PM
in the end use the followin equation

tsin a/tcos a= Fe/mg
gr8 work qureshi......

saadqureshi
Mar13-11, 03:23 AM
thank you inti

usamaabdullah
Nov13-11, 12:40 AM
Thanks, I got my answer..

Foxhound31
Dec30-11, 03:49 AM
Suggestion, its better to use (I) and (IV) in equation labelling than (1) (4) for it looks like it is a scalar multiplication