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TyErd
Jan13-10, 09:04 PM
The graph of a function with equation y=e^(2x) - 3ke^(x) +5 intersects the axes at (0.0) and (a,0) and has a horizontal asymptote at y=b. Find the exact values of a,b and k.

I tried assigning a variable to e^x but struck a dead end.

Bohrok
Jan13-10, 09:13 PM
If (0, 0) is a point on the graph, then you can replace y and x with 0 to solve for k, and a won't be hard to solve for after that.
Have you found b?

TyErd
Jan13-10, 09:36 PM
oooohk so i found k and it equals 2 and also a which equals loge(5). and no i haven't found b

TyErd
Jan13-10, 09:36 PM
not sure how to find b

vela
Jan13-10, 10:06 PM
If z=e^x, you have y=z^2-6z+5. Does that help?

Bohrok
Jan13-10, 10:15 PM
Think of what happens with y = e2x - 3kex as x→∞ or -∞. Does it approach a certain value? What happens when you shift the graph up 5 units with the +5?

Mark44
Jan13-10, 11:54 PM
If z=e^x, you have y=z^2-6z+5. Does that help?
Think of what happens with y = e2x - 3kex as x→∞ or -∞. Does it approach a certain value? What happens when you shift the graph up 5 units with the +5?
vela is leading you toward finding the x-intercepts, and Bohrok is leading you toward finding the horizontal asymptote.

vela
Jan14-10, 12:07 AM
vela is leading you toward finding the x-intercepts, and Bohrok is leading you toward finding the horizontal asymptote.
Yeah, I misread the problem. Ignore what I said.

Mark44
Jan14-10, 12:12 AM
If z=e^x, you have y=z^2-6z+5. Does that help?

Yeah, I misread the problem. Ignore what I said.
No, not a problem. I was just pointing out to the OP that the two of you were looking at different parts of the problem.

TyErd
Jan14-10, 05:04 AM
hey im still having trouble understanding what the horizontal asymptote is.

TyErd
Jan14-10, 05:06 AM
b is 5 but i dont get why

vela
Jan14-10, 05:23 AM
What does the function do as x goes to infinity or -infinity?

TyErd
Jan14-10, 07:15 AM
do i have to use the calculator to do that?

Altabeh
Jan14-10, 07:57 AM
do i have to use the calculator to do that?

Of course not!

Just try to puzzle out where y goes for x-> -oo. I've excluded +oo to get you to understand something important. Use the fact that for any x, x^a =0 if a-->-oo.

Mark44
Jan14-10, 09:19 AM
Of course not!
Use the fact that for any x, x^a =0 if a-->-oo.

This not true for 0 < x < 1. Even if you limit it to x > 1, x^a merely approaches zero as a gets large. x^a is not equal to zero for any real value of a.

TyErd
Jan14-10, 07:57 PM
ook,as x approaches -infinity it gets closer to 5 but at a certain -x value, y actually equals 5. Which isnt right because its suppose to be an asymptote. And also why exclude positive infinity??

Mark44
Jan14-10, 08:20 PM
ook,as x approaches -infinity it gets closer to 5 but at a certain -x value, y actually equals 5. Which isnt right because its suppose to be an asymptote. And also why exclude positive infinity??

as x approaches -infinity y approaches 5. The use of "it" is confusing because a casual reader would think you were talking about x. There is no negative value of x for which y = e2x - 6ex + 5 equals 5. In fact, for x < 0, y is always < 5, but it gets infinitesimally close to 5 the more negative x gets.

There is a positive value of x for which y = 5, but we're talking about asymptotic behavior for x < 0, i.e., behavior for very negative x values.

TyErd
Jan14-10, 11:08 PM
Im not sure if im doing something wrong but I just substituted -15 into x and y equaled 5 but as i get more negative like x=-1000, y still equals 5.

vela
Jan14-10, 11:36 PM
You're probably running into the limitations of your calculator. For x=-15, to ten decimal places, y=4.9999981645, which is within two-millionths of 5. At x=-1000, y differs from 5 by about 3\times10^{-434}.

TyErd
Jan14-10, 11:52 PM
oh yea vela you're right, i just tried it on a different calculator.