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The discussion revolves around calculating the vertical acceleration of a longitudinal wave described by the displacement function z(x, t) = Acos(...). Participants are examining the differentiation process to derive the acceleration and questioning the correctness of their results.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss differentiating the displacement function twice with respect to time to find the vertical acceleration. There is a focus on the presence of an extra factor in the original poster's calculations. Questions are raised about the argument of the cosine function and its impact on the differentiation process.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process, and there is an exploration of the implications of the argument of the cosine function. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their answer based on feedback from a website.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment that requires expressing the answer in terms of specific variables. There is mention of potential errors in the website's feedback, which adds to the uncertainty in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



This is quite simple, but for some reason I'm getting the wrong answer. I am given a longitudinal wave where the vertical displacement is given by [tex]z(x, t) = Acos(...)[/tex]. I must calculate the vertical acceleration at some time t and position x.



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I just differentiate twice with respect to time and get [tex][-\omega^{2}A][z(x,t))][/tex]. Correct?

This is not the first time I have encountered a solution error (if it is the case).
 
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I think you have an extra A in that answer.
 
Assuming the (...) argument of the cosine is just [itex]\omega t[/itex], then

[tex] \frac{dz}{dt}=A\frac{d}{dt}\cos[\omega t]=-A\omega\sin[\omega t][/tex]

[tex] \frac{d^2z}{dt^2}=-A\omega\frac{d}{dt}\sin[\omega t]=-A\omega^2\cos[\omega t]=-\omega^2 z[/tex]

So willem is correct, you multiplied by an extra [itex]A[/itex].
 
Ah, yes sorry I did not mean to put that extra [tex]A[/tex] there.

But it should read [tex]-\omega^{2}Acos(...)[/tex]

This was my original answer and its still wrong.

Ehhh..
 
What is the argument of cosine? You keep putting "..." in there, just write it out for me to help you.
 
The argument is [tex]cos(kx -\omega t)[/tex]
 
Hmm, still doesn't seem to change anything

[tex] \frac{dz}{dt}=A\frac{d}{dt}\cos[kx-\omega t]=\omega A\sin[kx-\omega t][/tex]

because you have a [itex]-\omega[/itex] coming from the argument and then a negative sign coming from the derivative of cosine.

[tex] \frac{d^2z}{dt^2}=\omega A\frac{d}{dt}\sin[kx-\omega t]=-\omega^2A\cos[kx-\omega t]=-\omega^2z[/tex]

What is telling you your answer is wrong, your textbook, website, intuition, etc??
 
It is a website. I considered the possibility of my syntax being wrong, but I went over it and couldn't find any error. It tells us to express the answer in terms of specific variables, which I did.

I don't know. This isn't the first time the website has made a mistake, so I wouldn't be surprised if its happened again.
 
Did you write it as [itex]-\omega^2z[/itex] or [itex]-\omega^2A\cos[kx-\omega t][/itex]? If you wrote the latter, I haven't a clue as to what the website would be asking you, unless you were given some constants to use?
 
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Copied and pasted from the site:

"Express the vertical acceleration in terms of [tex]\omega, g, k, A[/tex], and the independent variables [tex]x[/tex] and [tex]t[/tex]."

Keep in mind that [tex]\omega = \sqrt{g k}[/tex]

I came up with a[tex]_{z} (x, t) = - g k Acos(kx - \omega t)[/tex] (as my officially submitted answer)

which is equal to [tex]-\omega^{2} z(x, t)[/tex]
 
  • #11
That looks like the correct formula to me, I do not know why you would be getting it wrong.
 
  • #12
Thanks. All I needed was a secondary supporting opinion. I will take it up with the instructor then.
 

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