What are the limits of the electromagnetic spectrum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the limits of the electromagnetic spectrum, specifically questioning whether there are frequencies below radio waves or above gamma rays, and what defines these bounds. The scope includes theoretical considerations, conceptual clarifications, and exploratory reasoning regarding electromagnetic radiation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the existence of frequencies beyond the established bounds of radio waves and gamma rays.
  • One participant suggests that lower frequencies may eventually "flatline" to zero frequency, while the behavior of higher frequencies remains uncertain.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no limit to frequencies, proposing that electromagnetic waves can exist at both lower and higher frequencies than those typically recognized.
  • A participant notes the use of Very Low Frequency radio waves for submarine communication, mentioning a frequency of less than 1 kHz and suggesting that a constant electric field could be viewed as an electromagnetic wave with a frequency of 0 Hz.
  • One participant poses a question about the theoretical limits of electromagnetic waves, referencing the potential generation of photons at high energies during particle collisions, such as positron-electron interactions.
  • Another participant mentions that supernovas are believed to generate very high frequency electromagnetic radiation.
  • Discussion includes the idea that radio waves encompass a wide range of frequencies, including those approaching zero, and that the upper limit of frequency is associated with the energy of photons, which can lead to particle creation under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and nature of limits within the electromagnetic spectrum, with no consensus reached regarding the theoretical bounds of frequencies.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various mechanisms for generating electromagnetic radiation and the conditions under which photons may exist, but these points remain speculative and are not universally accepted within the discussion.

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Is there a frequency below radio waves or above gamma rays? What makes radio waves and gamma rays the bounds of the electromagnetic spectrum?
 
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Good question.
I am sure someone has the answer.
One thing I read, not sure if it is true, is that frequencies going lower will eventualy "flatline" to zero frequency. Not sure what happens on increasing frequencies.
 
there is no limit to frequencys. They can be as high as gamma rays and higher and as low as radio or lower. All it is is differences in wavelength or elecromagnetic spectrum. This is what I think, I might ne wrong but it makes sense to me to think if it this way.
 
Very Low Frequency radio waves are used (or at least they used to be) to communicate with submarines. The frequency of these waves was less than 1 kHz (not sure what the lower bound was). One could also consider that the absence of any e/m radiation (or a constant e field) can be thought of as an e/m wave with a frequency of 0 Hz! Can't get lower than that.

You cannot go arbitrarily high in frequency since frequency in e/m waves is a measure of the photon's energy, you can only generate a photon with a given frequency if there is enough energy to do so.

Claude.
 
My question is: what are the lower and upper theoretical limits in which EM waves can exist. I think that at certain high velocities when you collide a positron with an electron you don't get a photon (gamma ray) but get Z0 Boson. Is there any other mechanisms for generating photons that would generate them at higher frequencies/energies than a positron-electron collision?
 
im pretty sure that supernovas generate very high frequency e/m radiation.
 
Radio waves contain everything between microwaves and DC (constant field), which is infinite wave length (or 0 frequency). That's all called radio. To make an extremely low frequency wave, charge up a balloon with static and move it as slow as you want.

As for the upper limit, any photon with a greater frequency than x-ray is gamma. When it energy is sufficient (frequency high enough), a photon can spontaneously become a pair of electron and positron (mass, E=mc2, f = mc2/h). Put in two times the mass of an electron in this equation and this a nice upper limit for my needs. I think photons with greater energies can be obtained by smashing atoms. I suspect the upper limits are defined by the probability of a photon of becoming other massive particles. A fundamental limit must be whatever energy the first photons after the Big Bang had.
 

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