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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of selecting an appropriate water jet to move a heavy stone a short distance. Participants explore the implications of static pressure and water velocity in the context of fluid dynamics, particularly referencing Bernoulli's law and momentum exchange.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests choosing the first jet due to its higher static pressure, arguing it would be easier to move the heavy stone.
  • Another participant agrees with the choice of the first jet, emphasizing the importance of static pressure.
  • A third participant calculates that the first jet has a slight advantage in total pressure, indicating that Bernoulli's law may be relevant to the discussion.
  • Another participant echoes the previous point about total pressure being approximately the same for both jets, while also noting the significance of the stagnation point at the stone-water interface in exerting the pushing force.
  • This participant also suggests that both jets could be valid options, highlighting the role of velocity in momentum exchange and the function of static pressure as a reservoir of total pressure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that static pressure plays a significant role in the decision, but there is no consensus on which jet is definitively better. Multiple viewpoints regarding the importance of velocity and total pressure remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the conditions under which the jets operate are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of the momentum equations mentioned.

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Let's discuss the next problem:

An unfortunated engineer has one heavy stone that has to be moved a small distance. Thus, he thinks of pushing it away by means of a water jet, pointing it towards stone centre of mass. But he has to types of jet available:

-One has 50 bar of static pressure and 5 m/s of water velocity.
-The other has 10 bar of static pressure and 89.5 m/s of water velocity.

One jet has to be choosen in order to provide the neccesary force to push the stone a short distance, as engineer's boss is claiming all day it has to be done.

What type of jet would you choose?.
 
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I would personaly choose the first jet. Becouse the stone is heavy and it would probably be easyer to move with a jet that has more static pressure.
 
First one, more static pressure.
 
The first one has a very small advantage when you figure out the total pressure by my calculations. I think the point of the exercise is to use Bernouli's law, though.
 
pervect said:
The first one has a very small advantage when you figure out the total pressure by my calculations. I think the point of the exercise is to use Bernouli's law, though.

My opinion is similar to yours. It is certain that if you compute total presure is aprox. the same in both cases. I have not the universal answer, but in my opinion, if you pay attention to the leading stagnation point that is formed in the interface stone-water, it seems pressure total is what exerts the pushing force. Those who had said static pressure has not written the momentum equation in the jet direction.

Any opinion counteracting what I have just said is welcomed, but it is logical to think velocity provides the exchange of momentum to the stone, although static pressure acts like a "total pressure" reservoir ready to be released when the water stagnates eventually at the zone of frontal contact. So that both of the jets would be valid, isn't it?.
 

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