Is There a Difference Between Push and Pull in a Spinning Space Station?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between push and pull forces in the context of a spinning space station, particularly focusing on the implications for human physiology and the role of forces such as centrifugal force and gravity. Participants explore theoretical aspects and potential physiological effects in a low-gravity environment.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that angular momentum could be viewed as a push while gravity is a pull, questioning the implications of this distinction for human reactions in a spinning space station.
  • Others argue that in a spinning space station, centrifugal force acts as a pseudo-force pushing occupants outward, effectively replacing gravity in that environment.
  • A participant points out that the Coriolis force may introduce discrepancies in human experience on a spinning space station, especially if the station is small.
  • There is a contention regarding the existence of centrifugal force, with some asserting it is merely an effect rather than a true force, while others maintain it can be perceived as a pushing force.
  • Concerns are raised about the physiological effects of artificial gravity, with one participant noting that while it may help with muscle decay, it does not address bone calcium loss.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of centrifugal force and its role compared to gravity, with no consensus reached on whether centrifugal force should be considered a true force. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the physiological implications of being "pushed" versus "pulled" in a spinning space station.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of distinguishing between gravitational and inertial forces, particularly in the context of a rotating frame of reference. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of forces and their effects on human physiology.

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Is angular momentum a push and gravity a pull? I just thought there might be unforseen differences in human reaction on a spinning space station.
 
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On a spinning space station far away from hugely massive celestial bodies, gravity can be neglected as a force.
You will be pushed outwards towards the outer shell of the station by the centrifugal force (a pseudo-force); the normal force from the shell will keep you in place.
In effect therefore, it is the centrifugal force which will play the role of gravity.

The most apparent discrepancy between life-on-earth and life-on-space-station will probably be effects from the Coriolis force (another pseudo-force)
 
arildno said:
On a spinning space station far away from hugely massive celestial bodies, gravity can be neglected as a force.
You will be pushed outwards towards the outer shell of the station by the centrifugal force (a pseudo-force); the normal force from the shell will keep you in place.
In effect therefore, it is the centrifugal force which will play the role of gravity.

The most apparent discrepancy between life-on-earth and life-on-space-station will probably be effects from the Coriolis force (another pseudo-force)


Thanks but this doesn't answer my question.
 
Since "angular momentum" in this context doesn't make much sense, try to elaborate on what you meant.
 
arildno said:
Since "angular momentum" in this context doesn't make much sense, try to elaborate on what you meant.

I have been told emphatically that there is no such force as centrifugal force and to use the phrase angular momentum when referring to what it referrs. Centifugal force then. Centrifugal force seems like a pushing force and gravity seems like a pulling force. Would there be any subtle differences on physiology in a spinning space station if one is being "pushed" rather than pulled. like the space station in 2001.
 
You are right, centrifugal force doesn't actually exist, its only an effect that gives a force outward. Since all objects in motion want to stay in motion in a straight line...the constant spinning and changing in direction causes an outward "force". Angular momentum is what is actually present, the system of the planets orbiting around the sun is a balance between gravity and angular momentum. As for the space station...using artificial gravity in space stations solves the problem of decaying muscles, but would not help in the case of decreasing calcium in the bones. In other words, its not as good of an environment as gravity on earth.
 
mee said:
I have been told emphatically that there is no such force as centrifugal force and to use the phrase angular momentum when referring to what it referrs. Centifugal force then. Centrifugal force seems like a pushing force and gravity seems like a pulling force. Would there be any subtle differences on physiology in a spinning space station if one is being "pushed" rather than pulled. like the space station in 2001.

I gather that the coriolis force is a problem if the space station is too small. There's no difference between gravitational acceleration and inertial forces per se, the difference is that in the space station you have the coriolis force as well as the centrifugal force.
 

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