three quizzes from our exam(junior middle school grade 3)

[NickyuTse]

#1, x , y are real number, x>=y>=1, 2*x^2-xy-5x+y+4=0,then x+y=?
#2,look at the Attach image,ABCD is a square,and EFGH is a quadrangle,
angle BEG and angle CFH are both sharp angles. EG=3(units),FH=4(units),
the acreage of EFGH is 5, question: what is the acreage of ABCD?
#3 the quadratic equation about x is (k^2-6k+8)*x^2+(2k^x-6k-4)*x+k^2=4
and the two roots of x are integer,question: find out all the value of k
(k is a real number).

[Nenad]

Nobody is going to solve the questions for you, how about you post how far you got and where you a re stuck.

[K.J.Healey]

What is your grade 3 equivalent to in the US system, or rather, how old are you? I WISH I was doing this stuff in US 3rd grade...

[needhelpperson]

Is there any thing unique about sharp angles?

[Alkatran]

#1, x , y are real number, x>=y>=1, 2*x^2-xy-5x+y+4=0,then x+y=?
#2,look at the Attach image,ABCD is a square,and EFGH is a quadrangle,
angle BEG and angle CFH are both sharp angles. EG=3(units),FH=4(units),
the acreage of EFGH is 5, question: what is the acreage of ABCD?
#3 the quadratic equation about x is (k^2-6k+8)*x^2+(2k^x-6k-4)*x+k^2=4
and the two roots of x are integer,question: find out all the value of k
(k is a real number).


Hint Hint, quadratics tend to have a highest power of _

Otherwise it's a geometric... and then some.

[needhelpperson]

What is your grade 3 equivalent to in the US system, or rather, how old are you? I WISH I was doing this stuff in US 3rd grade...

I would wish as well. These questions are a lot more challenging than the ones at my highschool.

I hope somebody can post a better hint to these problems, because i am interested in how to solve them.

[zefram_c]

Hint for 1: Graph the equations you have:
(1) x>=y
(2) y>=1
(3) 2x2-xy-5x+y+4=0

Now do it algebraically...

[Leong]

#1, x , y are real number, x>=y>=1, 2*x^2-xy-5x+y+4=0,then x+y=?
#2,look at the Attach image,ABCD is a square,and EFGH is a quadrangle,
angle BEG and angle CFH are both sharp angles. EG=3(units),FH=4(units),
the acreage of EFGH is 5, question: what is the acreage of ABCD?
#3 the quadratic equation about x is (k^2-6k+8)*x^2+(2k^x-6k-4)*x+k^2=4
and the two roots of x are integer,question: find out all the value of k
(k is a real number).


Are you sure the second term of question #3 is (2k^x-6k-4)x ?

[Gokul43201]

#1 ) There is an infinite set of solutions, given by x+y = 2*x^2-xy-6x+2y+4. That seems a funny question to ask.

#3) k^x seems unlikely.

[NickyuTse]

For the above posts , the #3) k^x is k^2,i am sorry i typed wrong.
i am 17 now,but the three questions were in one exam when i was 16 years old.
i'd solved the 3 questions in my exam when i was 16,and i guess if you can do it.
just quizzes of chinese stype,i hope you like it.just tell me your answer!

[NickyuTse]

if you want the answers,you can send me a message to get.

[Gokul43201]

#1 ) I didn't notice the condition x>=y before...So the only real solution is (2,2) so x+y=4.

[Leong]

Using b^2-4ac \geq 0 because the roots is a real number,i found that k equals to any positive real number includes zero.

since nicky has done these questions before, why don't you post the answers here so anyone can give it a try ?

[Gokul43201]

Using b^2-4ac \geq 0 because the roots is a real number,i found that k equals to any positive real number includes zero.


Leong, the question says that the roots are both integers. B^2 > 4AC is a necessary condition, but not sufficient. And clearly, k=0 does not give 2 integer roots (x = 1, and x = -1/2).

[Gokul43201]

#2) I get Area(ABCD) = 44/5 = 8.8 sq. units. I hope I'm not making some stupid mistake...

[NickyuTse]

＃1） 4
＃2） 8.8
＃3） 6，3，10/3
come here http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=40380

[Leong]

i gave up. i guess i am not as good as you guys.

[Gokul43201]

Hmmm...I never did problems like these till I got to high school. If you do them in junior-middle school, you folks have a really high standard in math.

Wait, when I was 16, I was in high school - I guess the nomenclature is different.

[Leong]

2x^2-xy-5x+y+4=0
Rearrange :
y=\frac{2x^2-5x+4}{x-1}
Plot graph y(x).
Consider the inequality conditions given.
1. y\geq1
2. x\geq1
3. x\geq y

These conditions give point (2,2) as the only solution. the answer = x+y=2+2=4.

[Leong]

Let x=length of the side of the square

x=4sin\alpha
x=3cos\beta
4sin\alpha=3cos\beta......(1)

Formula for area of a quadrangle = \frac{1}{2}d_{1}d_{2}sin\theta with
d_{1}=length of the first diagonal
d_{2}= length of the other diagonal
\theta=angle between the diagonals

\frac{1}{2}(3)(4)sin\theta=5
sin \theta = \frac{5}{6}
cos \theta = -\frac{\sqrt{11}}{6}
\theta is an obtuse angle

\alpha + \beta + \theta = \pi
cos \beta =sin \theta sin\alpha - cos \theta cos\alpha
cos\beta=\frac{1}{6}[5sin\alpha+\sqrt{11}cos\alpha].........(2)

Substitute (2) into (1); get
tan\alpha=\frac{\sqrt{11}}{3}
sin\alpha=\frac{\sqrt{11}}{2\sqrt{5}}

Area of the square = (4sin\alpha)^2
= \frac{44}{8}
= 8.8

[Gokul43201]

Hmmm, I did #2 differently. And I didn't know the formula for the area of a quadrilateral...but that was quite nifty.