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Hi,
Need help desperately!
I am trying to figure out the area under a gaussian cone by finding the integral of
2PIArEXP[-(r^2)/(2sigma^2)] dr
My supervisor thought it is
2PI [A sigma^2 EXP(-(r^2)/(2 sigma^2)] Between 0 and infinity
and he came up with the answer
2 PI A sigma^2
I hope you can understand that!
I don't think that his integration is right to get to the second step there. But I'm not sure why. I don't think sigma will come down like that. Please help me. I haven't done maths like this for a few years and I'm very rusty at it!
Thanks
Kek
TenaliRaman
Aug24-04, 10:57 AM
I think he has taken
2PIArEXP[-(r^2)/(2sigma^2)] dr
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HallsofIvy
Aug24-04, 11:12 AM
To find 2\pi {A} \int_0^{\infinity}{r e^{\frac{-r^2}{2\sigma^2}}dr}, let u= \frac{r^2}{2\sigma^2}. Then du= \frac{r}{\sigma^2} so rdr= \sigma^2du. When r=0, u= 0, when r= infinity, u= infinity so the integral becomes 2\pi {A} \sigma\int_{o}^{\infinity}{e^{-u} du}.
That IS -2\pi {A} \sigma e^{-u} evaluated between u=0 and u= infinity:
2\pi {A} \sigma.
TenaliRaman
Aug24-04, 01:31 PM
rdr = sigma^2 du
the final answer is 2*pi*A*sigma^2
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I see what he has done now!
Thanks so much. You guys are lifesavers!
Kek
To find 2\pi {A} \int_0^{\infinity}{r e^{\frac{-r^2}{2\sigma^2}}dr}, let u= \frac{r^2}{2\sigma^2}. Then du= \frac{r}{\sigma^2} so rdr= \sigma^2du. When r=0, u= 0, when r= infinity, u= infinity so the integral becomes 2\pi {A} \sigma\int_{o}^{\infinity}{e^{-u} du}.
That IS -2\pi {A} \sigma e^{-u} evaluated between u=0 and u= infinity:
2\pi {A} \sigma.
Thanks for your help. I am still a little confused. As I said I haven't done integration like this for a long time!
I can't see how you substituted rdr= \sigma^2du back in to get 2\pi {A} \sigma\int_{o}^{\infinity}{e^{-u} du}. I can see that when r=0, u= 0, when r= infinity, u= infinity. That is fine but where does the sigma come from and where does the r go?
Thanks
kek
TenaliRaman
Aug24-04, 09:47 PM
kekly,
Look at the substitution hurkyl makes ....
u = r^2/(2*sigma^2)
find du/dr
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I understand the substitution that is made and I can find
du/dr = r/sigma^2
That can then be rearranged to
rdr = sigma^2du
How then do I get to this!
2\pi {A} \sigma\int_{o}^{\infinity}{e^{-u} du}
Forgive me I think it is part of the substiution method that I don't understand. I haven't done it for many years.
Thanks for all your hlep. I have been playing around with it and I understand it now!
It was not remembering how to use the substitution method that was causing me problems!
Thansk again for all your help!
kek
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