Can You Calculate Acceleration Using Power or Work?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of calculating acceleration using power or work, particularly in the context of a physics project involving vehicle performance metrics such as 0-60 and quarter-mile times. Participants explore the relationships between force, power, work, and acceleration, while considering factors like torque and air resistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the basic equation for acceleration as A=F/M and questions whether acceleration can also be derived from power or work.
  • Another participant provides equations relating force, work, and power, suggesting substitutions to explore the relationships further.
  • A different participant shares their attempts to manipulate equations involving power and momentum, indicating that their results are not satisfactory for finding acceleration.
  • One participant clarifies how to derive force from power and mentions the need to account for air resistance, presenting a differential equation that incorporates these factors.
  • Another participant discusses deriving power from velocity and air resistance, expressing a desire to find a way to calculate acceleration from power instead.
  • A later reply reiterates the relationship between acceleration and the previously mentioned formula, emphasizing the need to consider air resistance in the calculations.

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Participants express various approaches to the problem, but there is no consensus on a definitive method for calculating acceleration using power or work. Multiple competing views and methods remain present in the discussion.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the problem, including the influence of air resistance and the distinction between torque and work. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific parameters like drag coefficients.

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I know acceleration can be found by the following basic equation:
A=F/M

But my question is can you also find acceleration using power or work?

Background:
I am doing a project in physics right now that involves taking the torque, weight, and drag of the car and calculating the theoretical 0-60, 1/4, and 1/8 mile times. The problem is cars are rated in horsepower (power) and torque (work.) I don't exactly know how to 1) Break them down to their force properties and solve or 2) make an equation that will solve for acceleration.

Can anyone help out?
 
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[tex]F = ma[/tex]

[tex]W = Fd[/tex]

[tex]P = \frac{W}{t}[/tex]

sub in Work into Power

[tex]W = Fd[/tex]

[tex]P = \frac{Fd}{t}[/tex]

since [tex]V = \frac{d}{t}[/tex]

[tex]P = FV[/tex]

play around with those, see what you get.
 
Well I messed around and got these... But it still isn't what I am looking for. Anyone else have some input?


[tex]P=FxTxA[/tex]
[tex]P=pxA[/tex]
[tex]P=MxVxA[/tex]

I subed in momentum for [tex]FxT[/tex].
Then I subed in Mass and Velocity for Momentum...

Doesn't help me much, but it does get acceleration in the equation...
 
Nenad told you what how to get force from power: F=P/v. Use F=ma=dv/dt. You still need air resistance losses, and these are proportional to v^2.
[tex]m{dv\over dt}={P\over v}-kv^2[/tex]
This gives v vs. t and you need to integrate once more to get distance vs. t.
You can get the proportionality constant k knowing the top speed and power, or the drag coefficient.

BTW, torque is not work.
BTW, given an adequate transmission, torque is a spurious performance parameter.
 
Okay I ended up getting power from velocity and air resistance using the drag formula:

[tex]P=(cD)(A)(d)(v)^3[/tex]

Now what I need is not getting power from force but getting the accel from power. Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks
 
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accel is dv/dt. Look again at the formula I gave. It is essentially ma=P/v-kv^2
 

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