Thermo Problem: Analyzing Work Done by Gases in an Internal Combustion Engine

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the work done by gases in an internal combustion engine, specifically focusing on pressure and volume data during gas expansion. Participants are addressing both the mathematical modeling of the data and the appropriate unit conversions for the calculated work.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents measured data for pressure versus volume and proposes a model of the form p*(V^n)=constant, suggesting a value of n=1.205559 and a constant of 14534.734.
  • The same participant calculates the work done by the gases as 6389.453 but questions the units, noting that the original data is in bars and cubic centimeters.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of significant figures, stating that results should not exceed the significant digits of the input data.
  • A different participant suggests focusing on the units of the area under the pressure versus volume curve, indicating that it must be in Bar*cm3 and prompting a conversion from there.
  • The original poster acknowledges the feedback on significant figures and clarifies their approach to rounding numbers in calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the handling of significant figures and the appropriate method for unit conversion, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for these aspects.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the conversion of units from Bar*cm3 to kJ, as well as the implications of significant figures on the final results.

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Here's my problem:
Measured data for pressure versus volume during the expansion of gases within the cylinder of an internal combustion engine are given in the table below.
Data Point p (bar) V (cubic cm)
1 15 300
2 12 361
3 9 459
4 6 644
5 4 903
6 2 1608

A) Determine a value of n such that the data are fit by an equation of the form p*(V^n)=constant
I got n=1.205559 and constant=14534.734
So p=14534.734/(V^1.205559)

B) Evaluate analytically the work done by the gases, in KJ.
I integrated 14534.734/(V^1.205559) with respect to V and evaluated with limits of 300 and 1608 (smallest and largest values for volume). I got 6389.453

*Question: What units should this be in? I know it's not in KJ, as the original data is in bars and cubic centimeters. How and where do I convert to get an answer in kJ?

Any help would be greatly appreciated! :smile:
 
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A separate issue while I think about the units.

Your data has only 3 significant digits, that is the absolute maximum that should appear in your results. When recording these sort of results you need to learn to ignore the meaningless digits generated by your calculator.

BTW: You have a very good fit to the data using
c= 1.45e4 and n=1.2
 
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Ok, ignore the units on the Vn term and consider what the units of the area under the PvsV line must be. Simply multiply the units of the axis. So the area under the curve, regardless of the functional description of the curve must be in Bar*cm3.


Can you do the conversion from there?
 
Thanks for clarifying the units. About the significant figures, I usually carry the numbers out pretty far until I reach the complete end of the problem and then round. Sorry if I made it appear that I write numbers with 10 digits after the decimal as a final answer :)
 

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