Photon striking charged particle

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the force exerted by a photon on a charged particle, particularly in the context of electromagnetic interactions and radiation pressure. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, including quantum electrodynamics (QED) and classical electromagnetism, as well as practical implications of these concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to calculate the force a photon exerts on a charged particle.
  • Another participant explains that photons are the force carriers of electromagnetic interactions and that the number of photons involved is determined by conservation laws.
  • A participant introduces the concept of radiation pressure when a photon strikes a large surface, such as a sheet of paper.
  • It is noted that the force per unit area due to radiation is given by energy density divided by the speed of light, but this concept may not apply to a single electron due to its lack of area.
  • Several participants agree that the interpretation regarding the single electron is correct.
  • Another participant suggests using an electromagnetic wave perspective and the Lorentz force equation to analyze the force on a single electron, providing a mathematical expression for momentum transfer and force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of radiation pressure and the applicability of certain concepts to a single electron, but there is no consensus on the overall calculation of force exerted by a photon on a charged particle, as multiple approaches and models are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of photons, charged particles, and the applicability of classical versus quantum models. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the derivation of force from momentum transfer.

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How is the force that a photon exerts on a charged particle calculated?
 
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What exactly do you mean, here?

The foton is the force carrier of the elektromagnetic-interaction. I mean if two charged particles interact then this interaction is mediated via the exchange of photons. how many photons that are active in the interaction is determined by conservation laws like spin balance or energy conservation.

These interactions are described by the Feynmanndiagrams of QED.
The sterngth of the interaction between matter-particles is expressed by the corresponding potential...


regards
marlon
 
If I had a large sheet of paper and shone a torch on it then what would be the force on that paper due to scattering?
 
Yes a force due to radiation pressure to be precise.
 
A force/unit area (pressure) due to radiation over a large area is given by
energy density / speed of light

This could not be applied to an electron for example because the electron does not have an area and so energy density on its surface would be meaningless.
Is that a correct interpretation of the situation for a single electron?
 
Yes that seems perfectly correct to me.
 
Looks ok to me too.
 
For a single electron, you can think in terms of a EM wave instead of a photon and use the Lorentz force :

[tex]F = qE + qvB[/tex]

It can be shown with this that with complete absorption, the momentum transferred to the electron is :

[tex]p = W/c[/tex]

With this, we can take the particle view and say the force on the electron :

[tex]F = p/t = W/ct[/tex]

where t is the time it took for the electron to go from 0 to whatever speed it was given using :

[tex]W = K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex]
 
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