Find out the charge of a compound/ion

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The discussion revolves around determining the charge of compounds and ions, specifically focusing on examples like the calcium ion, sulfite ion, sulfur dioxide, and sulfur trioxide. Participants explore the methods for identifying oxidation states and formal charges, as well as the importance of periodic table groupings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the charge of a calcium ion without additional information.
  • Another participant explains that knowing the common oxidation states of elements based on their periodic table groups is essential for determining charges.
  • A participant provides a detailed calculation for the oxidation state of sulfur in sulfite (SO3(2-)), concluding that sulfur has an oxidation state of +4.
  • There is a mention of the need to consider the total charge in compounds, emphasizing that the sum of positive and negative charges must equal zero.
  • One participant suggests that formal charges should be studied in textbooks, indicating a more formal approach to understanding the topic.
  • A later reply indicates that certain charges must be memorized, as they are provided in educational materials.
  • Another participant emphasizes that knowing the position of elements in the periodic table aids in memorizing their charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of agreement on the methods for determining charges, with some advocating for memorization of common charges while others focus on understanding through oxidation states and periodic table groupings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to learning these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of memorizing specific charges for certain compounds and elements, suggesting that there may be limitations in relying solely on oxidation state calculations without prior knowledge.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about chemical bonding, oxidation states, and the periodic table, particularly those seeking to understand how to determine charges of ions and compounds.

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How do you find out the charge of a compound/ion when a question just says "Calcium ion"? Do I need more info on it, am I missing something?
I'll give a few examples:
Sulfite ion
sulfur dioxide
sulfur trioxide

I need to know the number that goes in front of the charges. Please don't just give me an answer for these 3, if you could also explain how you got the answer it would greatly be appreciated. Thanx.
 
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First you need to know the most common oxidation states of several different elements. These are easy to remember if you know the groups that these elements belong to in the Periodic Table. Group I has Li, Na, K (the others are less important), and all these have the oxidation state of +1. Group II has Be, Mg, Ca and these have oxidation state +2. The transition metals, from Sc to Zn and below have different oxidation states that are useful to remember for the common elements. In group III, B, Al, Ga have ox. number +3. Gr. IV has C, Si, Ge, Sn, which have ox. no. +4. From Gr V on the oxidation numbers are negative (ox. no. = Gr. no. - 8). So Gr. V (N, P) has ox. no. -3. Gr. VI (O, S) has ox. no. -2. However, N is often considered +5, but sometime +3 and S can be either +6 or +4 (which one it is depends on the compond, and can be determined from the other elements in that compound). Gr. VII (F, Cl, Br) is always -1. And Gr. VIII has ox. no. 0. So, elements of Gr. VIII never form compounds.

To find the oxidation no. of a radical (like sulfite, nitrate, etc.) you simply add the oxidation states of the different elements in it.

Sulfite is SO3(2-). We know that each O is -2, so the 3 O's make up -6. So, SO3(2-) has a total charge of -2. Let the oxidation state of S be x. Then x + 3(-2) = -2. Or x-6=-2. Hence, x=4. The ox. no. of S is +4 in this case.

In a compound (or stable element), the total charge is always 0. So, the sum of positives must equal the sum of the negatives.

So, in sulfur dioxide (SO2) , the total ox. no. is 0. We know for sure that O is -2. And there are 2 O's, so the total negative charge is -4. So, for the compound to have zero total charge, S must be +4.

What would be the ox. no. of S in sulfur trioxide (SO3) ?
 
Your questions pertains to formal charges, and you should find this topic in your book and study it. As for elements, ways to find the common charges that elements employ is to observe which group they are in.
 
Thanx, for the help, but I just asked my teacher. There are ceratain compounds and elements that we just need to remember. The charges are given in the book, but thanks anyway, I'm sure ill have more questions soon.
 
You need to remember the elements, the compounds can be figured out. For many of the elements, knowing the position in the periodic table helps with the memorizing.
 

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