What writing instruments do you use?

[ephedyn]

Here's the problem. Having traveled 15000km to my new college, I've come to realize that I cannot find the beautiful, extra fine tip, navy blue gel ink that I've used for 11 years.

Now I'm desperately for a new pen, one that can give me the same, smooth, effortless feel with minimal smudge (I'm left handed...) I feel very tempted to try a fountain pen, or a Mont Blanc rollerball... but given that I write a lot, I don't know how sustainable this will be...

What do you guys use to write math most of the time? Does anyone actually use a fountain pen to do math?

[Insanity]

I mostly use Sanford Uniball Micro for most purposes. inexpensive and writes well for me, wish it came as a retractable.

[airborne18]

My favorite pen is the Retro Tornado 151. You can use Space Pen refils in it. Though I do not think they make fine points for it. But it has a nice flow.

I tried using a fountain pen, it is too problematic.

If you want to go that way, use drafting/ technical drawing pens. You can get very fine points and it is fountain pen. Rapidograph is probably the best. They are not cheap, and they are not designed for regular paper, so it will clog on you. I have them for drawing.

here is where I shop for pens. http://thewritersedge.com/welcome.cfm for interesting pens

[waht]

I'm also left handed. I'm using Pentel Energel for everything. It's the best writing instrument ever. With the most gentle touch you can manufacture beautiful characters. It's extremely smooth and doesn't leave any smudges.

https://www.pentelstore.com/index.php?grp=801&osCsid=e156083a5b48094a7d4f4387b54af5c7

[ephedyn]

Hmm, seems like rollerballs are most popular. It's seriously hard to write subscripts/superscripts using a ballpoint, and that's also the same reason why I don't like 0.7mm or thicker tips.

Insanity - Wow that pen is cheap and pretty. I should get one to test. The pen that I've used all this time is retractable.

airborne - I've tried technical drawing pens but they seem to offer quite a lot of resistance. Okay, I'll check the site!

waht - ): 0.7mm. But I should give that a try too.

Any fountain pen recommendations?

[lisab]

Here's the problem. Having traveled 15000km to my new college, I've come to realize that I cannot find the beautiful, extra fine tip, navy blue gel ink that I've used for 11 years.

Now I'm desperately for a new pen, one that can give me the same, smooth, effortless feel with minimal smudge (I'm left handed...) I feel very tempted to try a fountain pen, or a Mont Blanc rollerball... but given that I write a lot, I don't know how sustainable this will be...

What do you guys use to write math most of the time? Does anyone actually use a fountain pen to do math?

For math, I always use a mechanical pencil with 0.5mm lead, HB or 2B. On an engineer's computation pad.

[airborne18]

Schaeffer probably has the best selection. That is what I used. They have a cartridge type system, or used to, and the supplies were widely available from the average office supply store. I have not used one in years.

[turbo]

Rapidograph is possibly the best fountain pen for lettering and drafting. The nib is a small tube with a central wire with an inboard weight, so you can shake it if ink flow is inconsistent. Not cheap, not low-maintenance, but I loved them.

You might want to try visiting your college bookstore and some office-supply places. They all have sample pens and some paper out there so you can see if a pen "calls" to you (dances with drawing instruments). I've got some cheap bulk-pack Pentel pens that do a great job, don't skip, and the ink seems to last a long time. Plus, they are retractable, though the pocket clips seem a bit brittle. I tend to wear flannel or fleece in the winter, and I have broken a couple of clips sticking the pens in my pockets.

[airborne18]

For math, I always use a mechanical pencil with 0.5mm lead, HB or 2B. On an engineer's computation pad.

lisa have you ever tried a 2mm drafting lead holder? You can get a sharp point on them and a wider range of lead. I like harder lead for the longer lasting point. like 3H.

[ephedyn]

Very interesting spread of users here.

lisab: D: gosh, lead. I don't know why but personally, writing in lead kills off my productivity/inspiration/intuition. I doodle in lead but whenever I'm working on serious, I just have to ink it so that it's bright and gay. The computation pad sounds costly!

airborne: Got it, thanks!

turbo-1: Good idea. It's night now, but I'll drop by the bookstore tomorrow morning.

Okay, so I'll try stuffing that Mont Blanc refill in a G2, the Sanford and Pentel Energel, and look at Schaeffer, rapidograph, and Pilot (the Vanishing Point sounds highly recommended) for their fountain pens. Looks like a pretty good range of pens to try. Thanks guys.

[turbo]

Very interesting spread of users here.

lisab: D: gosh, lead. I don't know why but personally, writing in lead kills off my productivity/inspiration/intuition. I doodle in lead but whenever I'm working on serious, I just have to ink it so that it's bright and gay. The computation pad sounds costly!

airborne: Got it, thanks!

turbo-1: Good idea. It's night now, but I'll drop by the bookstore tomorrow morning.

Okay, so I'll try stuffing that Mont Blanc refill in a G2, the Sanford and Pentel Energel, and look at Schaeffer, rapidograph, and Pilot (the Vanishing Point sounds highly recommended) for their fountain pens. Looks like a pretty good range of pens to try. Thanks guys.Good luck! Choosing a new pen (if you write a lot, as I did) is a serious enterprise (and fun!).

[lisab]

lisa have you ever tried a 2mm drafting lead holder? You can get a sharp point on them and a wider range of lead. I like harder lead for the longer lasting point. like 3H.

Yes, years ago I took drafting and I used one of those. Problem is, I like a very dark line, and of course a soft lead dulls quickly. So the very thin lead works OK, I get my dark line without having to sharpen frequently.

[lisab]

Very interesting spread of users here.

lisab: D: gosh, lead. I don't know why but personally, writing in lead kills off my productivity/inspiration/intuition. I doodle in lead but whenever I'm working on serious, I just have to ink it so that it's bright and gay. The computation pad sounds costly!

airborne: Got it, thanks!

turbo-1: Good idea. It's night now, but I'll drop by the bookstore tomorrow morning.

Okay, so I'll try stuffing that Mont Blanc refill in a G2, the Sanford and Pentel Energel, and look at Schaeffer, rapidograph, and Pilot (the Vanishing Point sounds highly recommended) for their fountain pens. Looks like a pretty good range of pens to try. Thanks guys.

Oh those computational pads are ridiculously expensive! They didn't used to be.

But when I get just the right pencil, just the right pad, and sit in one particular room at the University of Washington library...ah, it's great, I can really get stuff done. I've done it so much my brain is trained to turn off all the silliness and just focus :smile:.

[ephedyn]

turbo-1: Yup, thanks!

[Astronuc]

For math, I always use a mechanical pencil with 0.5mm lead, HB or 2B. On an engineer's computation pad. Me too - MonAmi D153 mechanical pencil and HB 0.5 mm. I've had it so long that the print has worn off.

Otherwise, Sanford Uniball Micro for most purposes. I've used Pilot Razor points as well, but I kept ruining the tips.

[turbo]

My favorite pencil is a Caran D'ache Fixpencil 2. It is old and simple, but it is works perfectly with no gimmicks and no jammed leads. I like it for jotting notes and sketching. When sketching, I use a moderate or mildly hard lead, so that I can darken gradually with repetition and layering. Cross-hatch with a harder lead, to get a soft gray....

[airborne18]

My favorite pencil is a Caran D'ache Fixpencil 2. It is old and simple, but it is works perfectly with no gimmicks and no jammed leads. I like it for jotting notes and sketching. When sketching, I use a moderate or mildly hard lead, so that I can darken gradually with repetition and layering. Cross-hatch with a harder lead, to get a soft gray....

I have been buying up 2mm lead on ebay. Well I did until I got ripped off on something, so I packed up my marbles and went home.

[DaveC426913]

I like black markers and pens, blue just doesn't do my margin doodling justice.

I buy all my pencils and pens by the box. I lose them at such an astonishing rate that I simply cannot afford to invest in any quality ones.

Do any other lefties fill their notebooks from back to front?

[turbo]

I have been buying up 2mm lead on ebay. Well I did until I got ripped off on something, so I packed up my marbles and went home.I should start looking around. My supply is limited and I really want to use this pencil for a LONG time, if possible.

[waht]

waht - ): 0.7mm. But I should give that a try too.

They have them in 0.5 mm too.

[ephedyn]

lisab: I see lol I can get what you mean. My friend was just pointing out how silly it is to use a $130 pen to scribble some calculations or attempts to solve a problem... but I guess pen and paper is to us as a racquet is to a tennis player, and it really matters so long as you get the feel.

Astronuc: Ah that Sanford thing sounds really good. I've never seen one of those back home. Aw the lettering wore off? Well ever since I started using a Pilot drafting mechanical pencil (H-325), I couldn't get used to any other mechanical pencil. I kept losing it though - I've lost 3, but the streak of bad luck never turned me off getting it over and over again. Too bad I can only get it from Japan now, so I only have one with me. If I find it ever again I'll get you one!

[ephedyn]

I like black markers and pens, blue just doesn't do my margin doodling justice.

I buy all my pencils and pens by the box. I lose them at such an astonishing rate that I simply cannot afford to invest in any quality ones.

Do any other lefties fill their notebooks from back to front?

Sorry, I start from the front :s But I dislike blue for similar reasons.

[fuzzyfelt]

My favorite pencil is a Caran D'ache Fixpencil 2. It is old and simple, but it is works perfectly with no gimmicks and no jammed leads. I like it for jotting notes and sketching. When sketching, I use a moderate or mildly hard lead, so that I can darken gradually with repetition and layering. Cross-hatch with a harder lead, to get a soft gray....

I'd post a lot of heart eyed smileys if I could find them :)

[wolram]

I'm still using the hammer and chisel i bought 50 years ago.

[Jimmy Snyder]

I buy all my pencils and pens by the box. I lose them at such an astonishing rate that I simply cannot afford to invest in any quality ones.
I bought a bag of 12 plastic mechanical pencils for a dollar about 15 years ago and I just took the last one out of the bag a few months ago. I can't afford it either, but my wife said she would lend me another dollar.

[Gokul43201]

Please excuse the minor off-topic diversion here, but ...... (I'm left handed...)
):
D: ... do most left-handers do smileys (and frownies) facing the opposite way from how right-handers do them? Never noticed this until now.

[lisab]

I'd post a lot of heart eyed smileys if I could find them :)

For some reaon, not all smilies show on IE (I don't have that issue when I use Chrome). The heart-eyed smilie recipe is as follows

: + ! + ! + ) = :!!)

For lefties it's

( + ! + ! + : = (!!:

Hmm.

[fuzzyfelt]

please excuse the minor off-topic diversion here, but ...

... Do most left-handers do smileys (and frownies) facing the opposite way from how right-handers do them? Never noticed this until now.

Interesting thought!

for some reaon, not all smilies show on ie (i don't have that issue when i use chrome). The heart-eyed smilie recipe is as follows

: + ! + ! + ) = :!!)

for lefties it's

( + ! + ! + : = (!!:

Hmm.

:biggrin: Thanks lisab!!

my favorite pencil is a caran d'ache fixpencil 2. It is old and simple, but it is works perfectly with no gimmicks and no jammed leads. I like it for jotting notes and sketching. When sketching, i use a moderate or mildly hard lead, so that i can darken gradually with repetition and layering. Cross-hatch with a harder lead, to get a soft gray....
:!!) :!!) :!!) :!!)

Yay, it works!

[FrancisZ]

I prefer the Papermate Sharpwriter Mechanical Pencil, myself (0.7 lead)...

http://img.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/04154030376_450x450_a.jpg


I also like the Blue G-2 Fine Point Pen (whenever I have to use pen)...

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/b/0/0/b0/d/AAAACwV_mfgAAAAAALDVYw.jpg?v=1266426523000


Just a note: I find that the RED INK PILOT G-2 PENS aren't consistently functional, for some reasons (they get clogged easily). When they're good, they're great; but when they suck, they suck real bad, and make you want to stab the manufacturer. It's a hit or miss with the reds.

[DaveC426913]

Just a note: I find that the RED INK PILOT G-2 PENS aren't consistently functional, for some reasons (they get clogged easily). When they're good, they're great; but when they suck, they suck real bad, and make you want to stab the manufacturer. It's a hit or miss with the reds.
Manufacturers occasionally find cheaper sources for the red ink.

Why, I remember this one office supply shop, in old London, where the red pens were dirt cheap. It was on the ground floor, under a barber shop. Can't remember the name... Sweeney something...

[berkeman]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the Pilot EasyTouch retractable ballpoint pens have a nice feel to them. I have a medium point blue at my desk at the moment -- not sure if they make them in fine point too:

http://www.staples.com/Pilot-EasyTouch-Retractable-Ballpoint-Pen-Medium-Point-Black-Dozen/product_474357?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Shopping-_-Office_Supplies%3EPens-_-474357-32220&cid=CSE:GoogleBase:Office_Supplies:Pens:474357:322 20

.

[turbo]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but the Pilot EasyTouch retractable ballpoint pens have a nice feel to them. I have a medium point blue at my desk at the moment -- not sure if they make them in fine point too:

http://www.staples.com/Pilot-EasyTouch-Retractable-Ballpoint-Pen-Medium-Point-Black-Dozen/product_474357?cm_mmc=GoogleBase-_-Shopping-_-Office_Supplies%3EPens-_-474357-32220&cid=CSE:GoogleBase:Office_Supplies:Pens:474357:322 20

.Those are the Pilots that I use. The clips are weak, and break when you try to put them in a fleece or flannel shirt pocket, but they write pretty well for a cheap pen.

[Redbelly98]

For math, I always use a mechanical pencil with 0.5mm lead, HB or 2B. On an engineer's computation pad.
Me too - MonAmi D153 mechanical pencil and HB 0.5 mm. I've had it so long that the print has worn off.
I don't get how anyone can use 0.5 mm pencils. Even the 0.7's break too easily for me, so I use 0.9 mm diameter. I like the Pentel Quicker-Clicker, and I add one of these erasers to it:

http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/Staples/s0080917_sc7?$sku$

Great for carpentry work too, by the way. Consistent line width, and they don't need resharpening like standard carpenter's pencils frequently do.

[Astronuc]

I like sharp crisp lines, as opposed to thick lines. I don't allow much graphite to protrude from the metal tip.

For erasers, I prefer the Pink Pearl - http://www.amazon.com/Paper-Mate-Premium-Eraser-70548/dp/B000VXLO8I. I can easily wear these down.

Most of my work requires that I use pen, and now most of my work is down on computer with various applications or codes, including CAD.

[Redsummers]

Personally, I have been using fountain pens since 4th Grade (9 years old?), and for the last 2 years I am using a Mont Blanc (Chopin Edition) as old as myself –19 years old–. Don't get me wrong, I did not spend 300 euros for a writing instrument, my mother gave it to me since she has never used it before (and it was a gift she received). And I must say that I use it a lot, daily, and so far I have never had any problem. (And I would assume that if I had to bring it to a Mont Blanc store, they could fix it for 20 euros or less... and spending this every 5 years is not that bad.)
But apart from that, I really enjoy the simple act of writing with a fountain pen. If I had another utensil such as a Bic pen (in America I think you have those papermate pens similarly) I would find it hard to concentrate in lectures.
As for others not-so-expensive fountain pens: a Cross, Parker, or even a good inoxcrom would do it. Make sure to check which kind of inks does the fountain pen uses, since there are fountain pens that can only be used with certain cartridges –like Cross– that are really expensive in contrast to the conventional ones. In any case... it is sometimes better to just use a filler converter despite the brand.

About your second question, yes, that's what I use for mathematics (even when trying to solve problems in scratch papers). And if I were to do a mistake in a sheet that I had to handle, I would just use a stypen to erase it (I don't know the name of this brand in North America).

I hope that helps. If you wonder anything else about fountain pens, don't hesitate to ask.

P.S: Btw, if you are left handed, have you ever tried to use a fountain pen before?

[lisab]

I like sharp crisp lines, as opposed to thick lines. I don't allow much graphite to protrude from the metal tip.

For erasers, I prefer the Pink Pearl - http://www.amazon.com/Paper-Mate-Premium-Eraser-70548/dp/B000VXLO8I. I can easily wear these down.

Most of my work requires that I use pen, and now most of my work is down on computer with various applications or codes, including CAD.

Ditto. And yes it means I have to click-click frequently. You might think that would be annoying, but in fact it disrupts my thinking about the same as blinking disrupts my sight...I don't even notice it, once I'm deep into a problem.

[mugaliens]

When I'm writing math, I use a #5 mechanical pencil on green engineering paper. :) Otherwise, I use a laptop.

[Andy Resnick]

I used a 0.3mm mechanical pencil for a long time, but now I write my lecture notes using a 6x0 Rapidograph. The pencil fades over time.

To be sure, I have to write my notes with an ultrasonic cleaner humming in the background, but I love my pen.

[nucleargirl]

Pilot Hi-Tec-C pens are my best! doesnt smudge, super fine, and miraculously makes my handwriting nicer looking! and Pilot supergrip F, also good!

[Pythagorean]

I use those cheap pens that I steal from my bank. And Latex. Erasing is a waste of time.

[Pythagorean]

Dave: As a lefty, I fill from left to right still and just extovert and angle to avoid the spirals

[G037H3]

I use my finger and an inkwell filled with the blood of my enemies. :D

[bvishal]

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[Ben Niehoff]

I don't get how anyone can use 0.5 mm pencils. Even the 0.7's break too easily for me, so I use 0.9 mm diameter.

Same here. When I write in pencil, I use a Pentel Twist-Erase 0.9. I use the edge of the lead and I can still get fairly fine lines. I also like the ability to make thick lines; it makes it easier to read my handwriting when the line thickness varies depending on the direction and pressure of the stroke. I also have a Pentel Twist-Erase 0.5, but I tend to favor the 0.9.

When I write in pen, I use those G2 pens someone else posted a picture of.

However, the vast majority of my writing happens on my convertible tablet PC, using a Wacom pen with felt nib for better traction.

[hypatia]

I'm still in love with my Cross pen. It has served me well for over 25 years.

[turbo]

I used a 0.3mm mechanical pencil for a long time, but now I write my lecture notes using a 6x0 Rapidograph. The pencil fades over time.

To be sure, I have to write my notes with an ultrasonic cleaner humming in the background, but I love my pen.I love Rapidographs, and despite the cleaning issues, they were generally my pens of choice. Consistent line density and width made some scribbled notes much more legible that other instruments might have allowed.

[Proton Soup]

i like gel pens, red and black ink.

i like 0.5mm mech pencils.

i like colored pencils, especially a carmine red col-erase. sanford and prismacolor are good. the prismacolor verithins write like a regular pencil, but some of their more expensive softer-leaded varieties make good highlighters. buy a decent electric pencil sharpener so that you don't break leads sharpening them.

for erasing, a nice soft vinyl eraser is best all-round. pentel clic-eraser is good. pink pearls and such are kind of a last resort when you absolutely must risk removing the top layer of fibers from the paper. back in the "old days", you had electric erasers for manual drafting. those were great. they even had some ink erasers with solvent in them iirc. if you do tons of erasing, it's the thing to have, along with one of those eraser shields.

[Moonbear]

I prefer the Papermate Sharpwriter Mechanical Pencil, myself (0.7 lead)...

http://img.walgreens.com/dbimagecache/04154030376_450x450_a.jpg


I also like the Blue G-2 Fine Point Pen (whenever I have to use pen)...

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/b/0/0/b0/d/AAAACwV_mfgAAAAAALDVYw.jpg?v=1266426523000


Just a note: I find that the RED INK PILOT G-2 PENS aren't consistently functional, for some reasons (they get clogged easily). When they're good, they're great; but when they suck, they suck real bad, and make you want to stab the manufacturer. It's a hit or miss with the reds.

I use G2s too, but I'm right-handed, so don't know about smudging. I've noticed that issue with the red pens too, but thought it was that my students get their exam papers all greasy (they're lab practical exams and the papers never come back clean). I figured that was clogging up my pens. Good to know it's a problem with the pens.

The same ink goes into their nicer refillable pens too (the DrGrip pens), and I really like using those. Nice cushioned grip and some good weight to the pen along with that G2 ink I love. I have some with fine ink and some with medium ink...depends on my mood which I like better.

For pencils, I've actually been perfectly happy with the cheapest mechanical pencils money can buy (the ones you buy in a pack of 6 or 10 from the dollar store...lol).

At work, I used to just use whatever free pens the drug reps left around on tables in the halls by the clinical offices, but our university decided it's a conflict of interest for physicians to get gifts, no matter how small, from drug reps. Now I struggle to find pens. I got an email last week asking for suggestions on how to cut costs to keep the university budget down, and I was tempted to suggest they reverse the policy that prevents us from getting our office supplies from the drug reps.

[rhody]

Wow,

I never realized PFer's had such specific preferences for their writing instruments.

That gives me hope for a post I am planning on cursive writing might actually become something worthwhile:

http://i55.tinypic.com/352ge8k.jpghttp://i53.tinypic.com/df7dsp.jpg

For all who have contributed to this thread so far with the exception of: Moonbear: lol
I'm still using the hammer and chisel i bought 50 years ago.

Do any of you folks regularly use cursive, print, or a mixture of both writing styles, or none at all, just banging away at the keyboard on your computer ?

Second, if you use cursive, how much time on average do you use it per day/week, etc...

I know mugaliens has said in another thread that he regularly writes at least three hours a day.

Rhody...

[Proton Soup]

i use a mixture of handwriting styles, both cursive and print, both traditional and oddish font. taking notes, i might use cursive. or writing a note to someone. writing down a part number is likely to be in print. sometimes i might write a "t" that looks more like a tau, or a lowercase "a" that looks like the one in this font. i hear kids today might not be learning cursive, but we were doing it in 3rd grade.

[lisab]

I write pen-or-pencil-to-paper very little, normally. Less than an hour a day. But I do occasionally take physics classes for fun, and then I'll write quite a lot. But it's mostly physics calculations, which I never use cursive for (is that even possible?).

When I do write, it's often a mix of cursive and print. When I write in cursive, the letters are hard to make out. They look like a drunk sounds - slurred.

[rhody]

Thanks Proton_Soup, Lisa,

http://i51.tinypic.com/345g561.jpg

Except for Mugaliens, there does not appear to be many folks who use cursive any more.
I found this sample of calligraphy online.
I wish I could write half as good as that.
Maybe if I practice for six months it may be possible.
Sad, but the only time you see that type of writing is for wedding notices, cards for birthdays, etc... these days.

Rhody...

[Redbelly98]

Do any of you folks regularly use cursive, print, or a mixture of both writing styles, or none at all, just banging away at the keyboard on your computer ?
I mostly use print when writing by hand. I use cursive for my signature, and also for writing "sin", "cos", and "tan". I avoid writing "sec", "csc", and "cot", preferring instead to write "1/sin", etc.

[Moonbear]

(Psst...it wasn't me who was using a hammer and chisel bought 50 years ago...I'm not that old yet; mine was bought more recently. That was someone else's post.)

When I'm writing things that need to stay organized and legible for a long time, I print. When I'm just jotting quick notes, I have a strange mixture of print and cursive that would be illegible to anyone but me.

I do a lot of typing, but do a lot of handwriting when organizing thoughts. I seem to have an easier time handwriting my initial drafts, scribbling in added notes and revisions, and then doing more editing as I type them up. I also tend to write on a whiteboard to organize major ideas.

I have impeccable teacher-writing when I write on a chalkboard. That's an entirely different art than writing on paper to keep from squeaking the chalk (there are no upstrokes in my chalkboard writing). I only teach in one lecture hall that still has a chalkboard, though, and don't use it much anymore. They took my chalkboard away in the one room I teach in, and now I have whiteboards and gorgeous HD TV monitors (amazing for doing lab demos).

[turbo]

I write in a mix of cursive and printing - whatever works at the time. I don't think about it - it just happens.

[rhody]

(Psst...it wasn't me who was using a hammer and chisel bought 50 years ago...I'm not that old yet; mine was bought more recently. That was someone else's post.)

Moonbear,

My apologies, Wolram, you are so... busted.

So, now that that little screw-up is behind us, errr... hemm... I think it will be an interesting exercise if I explored a bit of calligraphy. I will let you know how it works out in a month or two. By then I should (time and opportunity permitting) have an idea if I am making progress or not. As I am well aware of now, not much will happen unless I commit three or four hours per week to practice, we all know by now from the Brain Plasticity thread, that this is the effort required to see real results. So we will just have to wait and see.

Rhody...

[turbo]

Good luck, Rhody. My cousin's wife is a killer at calligraphy. When she sends out birthday cards, Christmas cards, etc, people keep them. They are that pretty. She could be jotting a shopping list vertically on a pad on the refrigerator door and THAT would be pretty, too.

[rhody]

Good luck, Rhody. My cousin's wife is a killer at calligraphy. When she sends out birthday cards, Christmas cards, etc, people keep them. They are that pretty. She could be jotting a shopping list vertically on a pad on the refrigerator door and THAT would be pretty, too.

Turbo,

If you don't mind my asking, how long has she been doing it, and in your opinion, does she get better and better as time goes on ?

Rhody...

[turbo]

Turbo,

If you don't mind my asking, how long has she been doing it, and in your opinion, does she get better and better as time goes on ?

Rhody...She has been doing it for ~30 years. I don't know if she gets better and better, but it's always nice. Party invitations, greeting cards, notes... all good.

[Evo]

Let's see what do I have here? A Bic Magic grip 0.7mm. Basically any fine tipped mechanical pencil.

[Proton Soup]

something else that might interest you rhody is lettering for mechanical drawing (http://www.kellscraft.com/EssentialsofLettering/EssentialsofLetteringContentPage.html)

i was never very good at it, but i think elements of it sometimes come out in things i print

[ThomasT]

Here's the problem. Having traveled 15000km to my new college, I've come to realize that I cannot find the beautiful, extra fine tip, navy blue gel ink that I've used for 11 years.

Now I'm desperately for a new pen, one that can give me the same, smooth, effortless feel with minimal smudge (I'm left handed...) I feel very tempted to try a fountain pen, or a Mont Blanc rollerball... but given that I write a lot, I don't know how sustainable this will be...

What do you guys use to write math most of the time? Does anyone actually use a fountain pen to do math?Of course not. I use a pencil with an eraser. Don't you ever make mistakes? And then, if it's ok, I transcribe it via some math-writing program to a usb flash drive or disc. Pens are virtually obsolete.

[Pythagorean]

Zebra F-301

[erok81]

I use a tul mechanical (http://www.tul.com/mechanicalpencil.php) pencil in 0.7. The eraser is worthless but it is the only pencil I've found that I can write with and not constantly break leads.

Although because of the eraser issue I've been looking for another type but haven't had luck.

[chaoseverlasting]

I mostly use pen and paper to write things down. Always in cursive, couldnt ever get used to print/block writing.

[rhody]

I mostly use pen and paper to write things down. Always in cursive, couldnt ever get used to print/block writing.
chaos,

Very cool, do you think it would be possible if you could scan in something you wrote, poem, etc.. nothing personal and post it. It will be interesting to see what someone who always uses cursive writing looks like, you are a rare find to be sure.

Rhody...

[The legend]

Always in cursive, couldnt ever get used to print/block writing.

Same here....i never got the hang of Block letters or maybe i just dont like to write block letters.

[The legend]

chaos,


It will be interesting to see what someone who always uses cursive writing looks like


I have many friends of mine doing that....they love cursive much more than me....:biggrin:(i atleast use capitals to be block then the rest of the word is cursive)

[rhody]

legend, chaos,

If it would not be too much trouble, could you scan and post some cursive you do everyday, then something you are especially proud of where you took care to make it special ?

Rhody...

[Topher925]

you are a rare find to be sure.


Not really. I know a lot of people that write only in cursive, including myself. Writing in regular print is highly illogical especially when trying to write with any kind of speed.

[turbo]

When I was in college, I had a few classes with a guy who took notes in block letters. His writing looked odd at first glance, but was quite intelligible. He very often left out vertical lines, so a B would be just the 2 bumps, a P would be a single high bump, an R would be a high bump with a leg to the right, etc. He was pretty fast at taking notes, so he must have been practicing that modified alphabet for a long time.

I took notes in cursive, and he seemed to do as well with his "special" font.

[rhody]

Not really. I know a lot of people that write only in cursive, including myself. Writing in regular print is highly illogical especially when trying to write with any kind of speed.

Topher,

Just a guest on my part, you are not from the US, correct ? Everyone my daughter knows either types (texts, echh... on their cell phones) or prints. Cursive is a scarce commodity around here. For that matter everyone I know I work with writes in texts or types exclusively as well.

Rhody...

[Topher925]

Topher,

Just a guest on my part, you are not from the US, correct ?

Nope, I'm your typical 100% native born white caucasian male american.

[rhody]

Nope, I'm your typical 100% native born white caucasian male american.

Topher,

Wow, you just blew my mind... really you did. Please, don't take that as an insult, more of a complement. I am told cursive is the hardest thing for your brain to visually process, and the fine motor control you use to write it is really good for your brain.

Rhody...

[mugaliens]

Except for Mugaliens, there does not appear to be many folks who use cursive any more.
I found this sample of calligraphy online.
I wish I could write half as good as that.
Maybe if I practice for six months it may be possible.

With the right font installed in your word processing program, you can! Lol...

[Proton Soup]

Topher,

Wow, you just blew my mind... really you did. Please, don't take that as an insult, more of a complement. I am told cursive is the hardest thing for your brain to visually process, and the fine motor control you use to write it is really good for your brain.

Rhody...

i find your view bizarre. where are you from ?

[fuzzyfelt]

Wow,

I never realized PFer's had such specific preferences for their writing instruments.

That gives me hope for a post I am planning on cursive writing might actually become something worthwhile:

http://i55.tinypic.com/352ge8k.jpghttp://i53.tinypic.com/df7dsp.jpg

For all who have contributed to this thread so far with the exception of: Moonbear: lol


Do any of you folks regularly use cursive, print, or a mixture of both writing styles, or none at all, just banging away at the keyboard on your computer ?

Second, if you use cursive, how much time on average do you use it per day/week, etc...

I know mugaliens has said in another thread that he regularly writes at least three hours a day.

Rhody...

Hi Rhody! Generally, I draught and draw more than write, so this probably doesn't apply to me, but when I do take notes quickly I mostly use cursive writing.

I think I recall that Kurdt's cursive note taking is amazing.

[ephedyn]

I'll like to thank everyone for contributing here. I've tried nearly everything and nothing's satisfying. Ballpoints and rollerballs are too liveless. Gel is the only satisfying thing out there, but this accursed place only has my favorite blue-black ink in 0.7mm, and I can never stand broad print. My handwriting has been looking unexpressive ever since I ran out of my favorite pens/inks, so I started to appreciate the nuances of writing.

I didn't want to venture out to use Uni Signo gel which is more slippery and too hard for me to actuate, leaving a mess. I prefer my writing strokes to have say, the velocity profile of a Bell curve, nothing angular or sudden, and definitely no discontinuities (ballpoints).

I considered pencil and lead, which is clearly the most economical - BUT, there's one thing which I can never tolerate about lead: it's glaring under a fluorescent light, I hate reading notes written in lead. Pencil lead is far too reflective. If any of you have done art, you'll know from comparing with charcoal that it is far more reflective than 'proper black', that's why you do shading with charcoal pencils instead.

Oh, I forgot to mention that rapidographs/felt tips actually felt better than gel in terms of smoothness and expressivity, but they drained ink too fast and weren't cost-effective... although I can't say my eventual decision was (read below).

So, simultaneously... I finally decided to become a physics and mathematics double major a few days ago. I decided to celebrate the occasion with something symbolic. And you see, musicians have their 'favorite' instruments. Artists have their finest brushes and paints. I'm kind of romanticizing here, but I felt that I should have a favorite instrument too! I laid down my mind, and bought a fountain pen, with a Pilot dark blue ink, similarly to the one that I love. Redsummers' experience was very helpful, I looked back here to justify my $180 purchase and that sealed the deal. I bought a Sailor 1911M demonstrator, like the one pictured below:

http://www.leighreyes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/01.jpg

P.S.: I had a bit of post-purchase bias from knowing that Einstein used fountain pens strictly :P

^rhody: I don't have a formal writing style. I suppose it's a modified-notetaking-style with some cursiveness (for example, my pen only leaves the paper twice when writing 'variational principles' - just picking out a random phrase from the paper right next to me, once for the "t" and once for the gap). My level of 'cursiveness' increases with urgency.

Of course not. I use a pencil with an eraser. Don't you ever make mistakes? And then, if it's ok, I transcribe it via some math-writing program to a usb flash drive or disc. Pens are virtually obsolete.

I use cancellations for my mistakes. And that's it. It's actually refreshing to see your mistakes rather than hide them. (I even write in pen on some of my books.) I sometimes even write things like "Yes!!" in my book, which really shouldn't be there for brevity.

I've been getting quite a number of praises for my live-TeXing speed, but the only thing that's keep me from 100% live-TeXing is that I can't generate graphs or diagrams with ease. I should probably find some time with MATLAB figuring out everything, or learn how to use a vector graphics program.

The other thing that's actually keeping me from live-TeXing is a sort of social pressure - for one, I don't want to give some of my professors the misunderstanding that I'm surfing facebook in class or something (once or twice I get that 'look' when I'm typing away at my keys), the other is that it's quite... unusual? I mean like, 95% of my classmates in my senior classes use pen and paper - the guy who actually live-TeXes is a graduate student, while exactly 100% of my classmates in my freshman-sophomore level classes are still using college-ruled sheets with pen/pencil.

[Pythagorean]

I never use cursive except for in my signature.

[rhody]

rhody: I don't have a formal writing style. I suppose it's a modified-notetaking-style with some cursiveness (for example, my pen only leaves the paper twice when writing 'variational principles' - just picking out a random phrase from the paper right next to me, once for the "t" and once for the gap). My level of 'cursiveness' increases with urgency.

ephedyn,

Good luck to you in your double major, and your pen choice, 180$ is pricey. BTW is that your writing in the picture or a sample from the ad ?

Please report back in the event you regularly write cursive with that great pen, and let us know how your english and writing skills are doing, if things get easier/faster with comprehension, writing ability and if you find that your focus improves over time.

Thanks for the response and enjoy that pen, now I need to learn calligraphy, winter project.

Rhody... whose writing form/expression/presentation skills need improving.

[rhody]

ephedyn,

Good luck to you in your double major, and your pen choice, 180$ is pricey. BTW is that your writing in the picture or a sample from the ad ?

Please report back in the event you regularly write cursive with that great pen, and let us know how your english and writing skills are doing, if things get easier/faster with comprehension, writing ability and if you find that your focus improves over time.

Thanks for the response and enjoy that pen, now I need to learn calligraphy, winter project.

Rhody... whose writing form/expression/presentation skills need improving.

What ? Rhody quoting himself !!!

Just wanted to say that I started looking into calligraphy and instruments that promote good writing and presentation. Any suggestions (reasonable dollar wise) are welcomed, it seems like there are only about 4 companies that are recognized as making quality pens, and not all in the US. I would like to try to combine this exercise with the Brain Visual and Auditory training as well, but think it would be biting off more than I could do.

Rhody... I still can't believe I quoted myself... I must be losing it... lol