Particle in a BOX - what are allowed momenta?

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The discussion revolves around the quantum mechanics problem of a particle in a one-dimensional box of size 2L, focusing on finding the allowed momenta and understanding the relationship between energy and momentum. The original poster attempts to derive eigenfunctions and corresponding energies while seeking clarification on the implications of symmetric and antisymmetric eigenfunctions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of eigenfunctions and energies, questioning how to relate energy to momentum. There is also a query regarding the meaning of symmetric and antisymmetric eigenfunctions in the context of the problem.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between energy and momentum using de Broglie's relation, while others express confusion about the necessity of deriving energy expressions in relation to momenta. Multiple interpretations regarding the symmetry of wavefunctions are being explored, indicating an ongoing dialogue without explicit consensus.

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There is mention of specific constraints related to the box size and the requirement to include symmetric and antisymmetric eigenfunctions in the analysis. The original poster also notes a sense of urgency in resolving these issues.

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Particle in a BOX -- what are allowed momenta?

Ok I am trying to come up with the first five eigenfunctions for the particle in a box of size 2L. Now, I gave the appropriate initial conditions and get as a solution phi(x) = bcos(kx) + asin(kx). I said that phi(-L) = phi(L) = 0 which game me bcos(kL) + asin(kL) = 0 and bcos(kL) - asin(kL) = 0 . Upon solving them, I get that for n being odd, k = nPi/2L and for even n, k = nPi/L. Thus for odd n, phi(x) = asin(nPix/2L) and for even n, phi(x) = bcos(nPix/L). Now, I can easily plot these for n = 1,2,3,4,5 but I am also asked WHAT ARE THE allowed values of momenta.

Now, I managed to get the allowed values of energy since from the resulting differential equation, I defined E = (k^2)*(hbar^2)/2m. So clearly, once I have k for various n, I have E.

Now my question: How do I relate energy to momenta?

Also, the question says "DO NOT FORGET TO INCLUDE SYMMETRIC AND ANTISYMMETRIC EIGENFUNCTIONS in your plot" Do they mean even and odd or what?

I am desparate for help with this nagging issue.

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You would get two different values for the accepted energy. How come? Usually it works out to one expression and the only difference is what n you choose but there should be one expression for E.
 
I know about that, but it depends on what the size of the box is. The only reason things worked out nicely to one expression was due to the fact that the box was centered at the origin and was of size L rather than what I have which is 2L.

I think there was an expression relating energy to momentum. I just cannot recall that. I ' m sure someone must know it.

And also the issue of symmetric and anti symmetric must be known by somebody.

I am quite desparate guys.
 
Recall de Broglie: [tex]p=\frac{h}{\lambda}=\frac{h}{2\pi} \frac{2\pi}{\lambda}=\hbar k[/tex].

Yes, the symmetric wavefunction is the even function such that [itex]\psi(-x)=\psi(x)[/itex]. Similarly, the antisymmetric wavefunction is the odd function such that [itex]\psi(-x)=-\psi(x)[/itex].
 
Was there even any need to come up with the expression for the allowed energy since it is clearly not related to the allowed momenta. It doesn 't hurt to show it but it was not necessary.
 

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