What Are the Implications of H. Arp's Red Shift Quanta Theory?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around H. Arp's Red Shift Quanta Theory and its implications, touching on the controversial nature of the theory and its reception within the scientific community. Participants explore various perspectives on the validity of the theory and related claims, including references to other works and surveys in cosmology.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a paper discussing red shift quanta and express that it may be controversial, leaving readers to form their own opinions.
  • There are humorous exchanges regarding the reception of unconventional ideas, with one participant suggesting the need for an "asbestos suit" to handle criticism.
  • Concerns are raised about the credibility of the author Setterfield, with some participants labeling him as uncredentialed and a "crackpot," while contrasting him with H. Arp, who is described as a "credentialed maverick."
  • One participant mentions the 2dF survey results, implying that Setterfield's claims may not align with more recent data in cosmology.
  • Another participant critiques Setterfield's use of a "large dataset" of redshifts, arguing that it is significantly smaller than other existing datasets and suggests that there is ample public data available for analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of Setterfield's claims and the implications of Arp's theory. There is no consensus on the merits of the theories discussed, and the conversation remains contentious.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various datasets and surveys in cosmology, highlighting the dependence on the credibility of sources and the interpretation of data. The discussion includes critiques of methodological approaches and the framing of arguments.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in alternative cosmological theories, the debate surrounding redshift interpretations, and the dynamics of scientific discourse may find this discussion relevant.

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http://www.setterfield.org/Redshift.htm
This paper may be controversial, It discuses red shift quanta, i notice
reference is given to H Arp, but i leave the reader to form an opinion.
 
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wolram said:
http://www.setterfield.org/Redshift.htm
This paper may be controversial, It discuses red shift quanta, i notice
reference is given to H Arp, but i leave the reader to form an opinion.
Would you like to borrow my asbestos suit?
 
by turbo 1
Would you like to borrow my asbestos suit?
No, my thoughts are none main stream, this post is a bit of devilment, to invoke
original thinking.
 
well I am a sober man with conservative scientific views and I take
this offer of an asbestos suit as a piece of impertinence and
an affront to my dignity
even it it was inadvertently offered to wolram
the smilie adds insult to injury and is not to be tolerated
 
wolram said:
by turbo 1
Would you like to borrow my asbestos suit?
No, my thoughts are none main stream, this post is a bit of devilment, to invoke
original thinking.
I know that Wolram - I was just making light of the reaction you would get if you seriously promoted Setterfield here. :devil:

I've been "roasted" for FAR less egregious offenses! :smile:
 
marcus said:
well I am a sober man with conservative scientific views and I take
this offer of an asbestos suit as a piece of impertinence and
an affront to my dignity
even it it was inadvertently offered to wolram
the smilie adds insult to injury and is not to be tolerated
I'm sorry, Marcus. I don't know if I can behave well enough to survive while Wolram borrows my suit. :rolleyes: You may have to get one of your own... Hey! you're still alive! You've already got one, you devil. :devil:
 
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wolram said:
http://www.setterfield.org/Redshift.htm
This paper may be controversial, It discuses red shift quanta, i notice
reference is given to H Arp, but i leave the reader to form an opinion.
Apparently, Barry has not yet heard about the 2df survey results.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0208/0208117.pdf .
Setterfield is an uncredentialed and notorious crackpot with a cult following in creationist cosmology. Arp is a credentialed maverick with a fringe following in alternative cosmology.
 
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Well said Chronos; if anyone is interested, I believe the talkorigins website has a good discussion of Setterfield's nonsense about a variable speed of light (it's truly amazing what you can 'prove' through wilful distortion, misrepresentation, and general disregard for data).

I found it astonishing that Setterfield quoted a 'large dataset' ... of 399 redshifts IIRC, well before 2dF even got started there were several high quality red-shift surveys, with up to tens of thousands of datapoints. Now, post-2dF, we have the first, second (and next week third) data release from SDSS.

As so much of the data is in the public domain, anyone - wolfram, turbo-1, marcus, Chronos, Nereid, ... - is free to get it and analyse it to their hearts' content.

This mission, should you choose, ... do let us know what you found, please?
 
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