How do you integrate velocity with respect to dy for an integration problem?

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The discussion revolves around the technique for integrating velocity with respect to dy in the context of a physics problem involving a bullet fired straight up and the resistive force acting on it. Participants explore the relationship between velocity, position, and time, as well as the formulation of a separable differential equation.

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  • One participant questions the ability to integrate velocity with respect to dy without knowing the relationship between velocity and y, suggesting that velocity is likely related to the change in y over time.
  • Another participant provides a specific problem involving a bullet and a resistive force, presenting a separable differential equation derived from the forces acting on the bullet.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of separating variables in the equation and suggests a method for rewriting the equation to facilitate integration.
  • There is a mention of rewriting the differential equation in terms of v² and integrating, indicating a potential approach but also expressing uncertainty about the next steps.

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Participants express differing views on the integration technique and the necessary relationships between variables. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore various approaches without reaching a consensus.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the relationship between velocity and position, as well as the dependence on the specific form of the resistive force. The mathematical steps involved in the integration process are not fully resolved.

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What is the technique for integrating velocity with respect to dy?

In other words:
integral(dv^2/dt) dy [ from 0 to h ]

if anyone can help, that'd be super.. mkay
 
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Without knowing, the relationship of velocity to y, no!

You don't even say, though I would guess it, the the velocity is the velocity of something in the y direction- that is, that v= dy/dt. d(v2)/dt= 2 v dv/dt.
We still can't integrate that with respect to y until we have some idea of the relationship between y and t.
 
at time t = 0, y = 0
at some time t, y will be a maximum.

The problem reads: Find the speed of a bullet fired straight up when the resistive force is given by F(v) = -cv^2
so you have

1/2 mdv^2/dy = -mg - cv^2
mdv^2/dy = 2 (-mg -cv^2)

which is a seperable differential equation

mdv^2 = 2 (-mg - cv^2) dy

dv^2 = (-2g - 2cv^2/m) dy = -2 (g + cv^2/m) dy

so... this is where I am a little stuck
can you suggets where to proceed?
 
The whole point of a "separable equation" is to separate the variables!

Once you have md(v2)= 2 (-mg - cv2) dy

Rewrite it as [itex]m\frac{d(v^2)}{cv^2+ mg}= -2ydy[/itex] and integrate.

(I started to write d(v2) as 2v dv but then I recognized that you have only v2 and not v itself in the integral. If you let y= v2, the integral on the left is exactly the same as the integral of [itex]m\frac{dy}{cy+mg}[/itex].)
 

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