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Nebula
Sep21-04, 10:16 AM
I'm a little confused about these two problems involving blackbodies, hopefully someone could give me a bit of insight. Thanks in advance.

1. For a blackbody we there is a frequency peak and a wavelennght peak. Lets call em v and w respectively. Now consider the derivations of the maximums dependant on temperature to prove v*w not equal to the speed of light.

Im not sure what to do here. No were in my text do they talk about the derivations for the maximums. So Im not really sure in what direction to head.



next question.

2. The peak value Mw(max) at the wavelength w(max) in the distribution of blackbody radiation increases with T (temperature). Show Mw(max) depends on T as:
Mw(max)=CT^p
where C is some constant and power p
so we have to find the constant and the power.

Tide
Sep21-04, 11:57 AM
The Planck distribution depends on the temperature. To find the maximum you will need to differentiate with respect to the temperature and find the value of T that makes the derivative = 0.

Nebula
Sep21-04, 11:29 PM
Right but what equations do I work with?

Any ideas about 2?

Tide
Sep21-04, 11:51 PM
What was the source of your question? If it's a textbook or a course you're taking surely you have it available.

Here's a review of Plancks radiation law: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod6.html

P3X-018
Sep25-04, 05:10 AM
Hey Tide
In that page they give placnk's law as

((8*pi*v^2)/c^3)*...

But look at the following page why do they give planck's law with the term
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/PlanckLaw.html

(2v^2)/c^2

Why is the term ((8*pi*v^2)/c^3) different than the one giving in scienceworld??

Tide
Sep25-04, 05:32 AM
Hey Tide
In that page they give placnk's law as

((8*pi*v^2)/c^3)*...

But look at the following page why do they give planck's law with the term
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/PlanckLaw.html

(2v^2)/c^2

Why is the term ((8*pi*v^2)/c^3) different than the one giving in scienceworld??

One might be a flux and the other an intensity - I didn't have time to study them carefully. I recommend the orginal poster refer to his textbook for the correct version!

Tide
Sep25-04, 05:51 AM
P3x,

I think for the problem at hand you should be focusing on the functional dependence which is
\frac {\nu ^3}{e^{\frac {h \nu}{kT}}-1}
to find the peak.

P3X-018
Sep25-04, 05:53 AM
In the Physics Formulary, it says:
Planck's law for the energy distribution for the radiation of af black body is:

omega(v,T) = ((8pi*h*v^3)/c^3)*(exp(hv/kT)-1)^-1

"Energy distribution" is that the intensity or flux?
They define the flux as P/A
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/EnergyFlux.html

:S

Tide
Sep25-04, 06:04 AM
Edited:

Yes, I agree with that. It's the same as what I wrote - I just left off the normalization!

P3X-018
Sep25-04, 06:37 AM
So is this the flux:

omega(v,T) = ((8pi*h*v^3)/c^3)*(exp(hv/kT)-1)^-1 ???

Tide
Sep25-04, 06:48 AM
That looks good!