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scope
Oct31-10, 03:39 AM
hey,

does anyone there know how the angular momentum (L=r x p) is transformed under Lorentz transformations?

bcrowell
Oct31-10, 10:55 AM
There is no cross product in four dimensions, so the generalization of rxp is a rank-2 tensor, not a vector: J^{jk}=r^jp^k. In the center of mass frame of a system, with the axis taken to be the center of mass, you can define a three-vector Jl according to J^{jk}=\epsilon^{jkl}J^l, where \epsilon is the Levi-Civita symbol. The advantages of Jl are that it's less unwieldy than J^{jk}, and it matches up with the Newtonian angular momentum in the appropriate limit. The advantage of J^{jk} is that it transforms in a simple way, as a rank-2 tensor.

scope
Oct31-10, 04:00 PM
There is no cross product in four dimensions, so the generalization of rxp is a rank-2 tensor, not a vector: J^{jk}=r^jp^k. In the center of mass frame of a system, with the axis taken to be the center of mass, you can define a three-vector Jl according to J^{jk}=\epsilon^{jkl}J^l, where \epsilon is the Levi-Civita symbol. The advantages of Jl are that it's less unwieldy than J^{jk}, and it matches up with the Newtonian angular momentum in the appropriate limit. The advantage of J^{jk} is that it transforms in a simple way, as a rank-2 tensor.

thank you so angular momentum becomes a tensor that is 2 times countervariant? but how are these tensors transformed under Lorentz transformations?

Dickfore
Oct31-10, 04:03 PM
M^{\mu \nu} \equiv X^{\mu} P^{\nu} - X^{\nu} P^{\mu}, \; M^{\nu \mu} = -M^{\mu \nu}




M'^{\mu \nu} = \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\rho} \, \Lambda^{\nu}{}_{\pi} \, M^{\rho \pi}

scope
Oct31-10, 09:51 PM
M^{\mu \nu} \equiv X^{\mu} P^{\nu} - X^{\nu} P^{\mu}, \; M^{\nu \mu} = -M^{\mu \nu}




M'^{\mu \nu} = \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\rho} \, \Lambda^{\nu}{}_{\pi} \, M^{\rho \pi}


thank you, does that mean that if the length is contracted by k, the momentum is also contracted by k, and the angular momentum by k^2?

bcrowell
Oct31-10, 10:42 PM
thank you, does that mean that if the length is contracted by k, the momentum is also contracted by k, and the angular momentum by k^2?

In general a Lorentz transformation doesn't reduce to just length contraction and time dilation. I believe the way you've stated it would work if the angular momentum tensor was diagonal, but actually it's the off-diagonal components that are interpreted as the angular momentum.

Dickfore
Nov1-10, 12:00 PM
The matrix corresponding to \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\nu} uses \mu as a row index and \nu as a column index. For example, for the common relative motion along the Ox_{1}-axis, the matrix is:


\hat{\Lambda} \rightarrow \left[\begin{array}{cccc}
\gamma & -\beta \, \gamma & 0 & 0 \\

-\beta \, \gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0 \\

0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\

0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{array}\right]


where:


\gamma = (1 - \beta)^{-1/2}, \; \beta = V/c


For the angular momentum tensor, one needs X^{\mu} = (c t, \mathbf{r}) and P^{\mu} = (E/c, \mathbf{p}). Therefore, we can write:


M^{i 0} = X^{i} \, P^{0} - X^{0} \, P^{i} = x_{i} \, \frac{E}{c} - c t \, p_{i}


i.e. they are the Cartesian components of the vector:


\frac{E}{c} \, \mathbf{r} - c t \, \mathbf{p}



M^{i j} = X^{i} \, P^{j} - X^{j} \, P^{i} = x_{i} \, p_{j} - x_{j} \, p_{i} = \epsilon_{i j k} \, L_{k}


where \epsilon_{i j k} is the Levi-Civita completely antisymmetric symbol (\epsilon_{1 2 3} = +1) and L_{k} are the Cartesian components of the angular momentum pseudo-vector \mathbf{L} = \mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{p}.

Dickfore
Nov1-10, 12:05 PM
So, for example, to find how L_{z} transforms under a conventional Lorentz transformation, you should look how M^{1 2} = L_{z} transforms according to the general rule:


L'_{z} \equiv M'^{1 2} = \Lambda^{1}{}_{0} \, \Lambda^{2}{}_{2} \, M^{0 2} + \Lambda^{1}{}_{1} \, \Lambda^{2}{}_{2} \, M^{1 2} = \gamma \left(L_{z} - \beta \, c (t p_{y} - \frac{E}{c^{2}} \, y) \right)

scope
Nov1-10, 07:04 PM
So, for example, to find how L_{z} transforms under a conventional Lorentz transformation, you should look how M^{1 2} = L_{z} transforms according to the general rule:


L'_{z} \equiv M'^{1 2} = \Lambda^{1}{}_{0} \, \Lambda^{2}{}_{2} \, M^{0 2} + \Lambda^{1}{}_{1} \, \Lambda^{2}{}_{2} \, M^{1 2} = \gamma \left(L_{z} - \beta \, c (t p_{y} - \frac{E}{c^{2}} \, y) \right)


thank you, but then how is the "contraction factor" of the angular momentum for Lz or any other coordinate, (simply) calculated?

Dickfore
Nov1-10, 10:34 PM
I don't have a clue what a 'contraction factor for angular momentum' means. This is how the components of angular momentum are transformed when we go from one frame of reference to another.

bcrowell
Nov1-10, 11:31 PM
thank you, but then how is the "contraction factor" of the angular momentum for Lz or any other coordinate, (simply) calculated?

It doesn't reduce to a simple contraction factor. That's the point of #6.

arkajad
Nov3-10, 05:58 AM
Each Lorenz transformation can be composed of space rotations and a simple boost. It is clear how angular momentum transforms under simple space rotations. So, it remains to look for a simple boost affecting only, say, x and t coordinates. Then the contraction factor is the standard one.

Dickfore
Nov3-10, 07:42 AM
Each Lorenz transformation can be composed of space rotations and a simple boost. It is clear how angular momentum transforms under simple space rotations. So, it remains to look for a simple boost affecting only, say, x and t coordinates. Then the contraction factor is the standard one.

The only problem is that the angular momentum is a 2-fold (antisymmetric) tensor, so it carries two Lorentz indices and you might perform a rotation with respect to one of them and a boost with respect to the other.

arkajad
Nov3-10, 08:30 AM
That is not a problem, because even when it has two indices, the same Lorentz transformation acts on both of them, not two different.

bcrowell
Nov3-10, 09:11 AM
Each Lorenz transformation can be composed of space rotations and a simple boost. It is clear how angular momentum transforms under simple space rotations. So, it remains to look for a simple boost affecting only, say, x and t coordinates. Then the contraction factor is the standard one.
No, it's a rank-2 tensor. It doesn't transform like a rank-1 tensor. Write out the tensor transformation law for a simple case, and you'll see that the result looks nothing like what you'd have for a 4-vector.

arkajad
Nov3-10, 09:21 AM
A tensor transforms under the tensor product of the representation. There is nothing mysterious about it. 2-tensor transforms with R\otimes R where R is the vector (or -co-vector) representation. Then there can be covariant and contravariant tensors. For a covariant tensor you need to take the contragradient representation - that's all.

Or, in simple terms, each index transforms with the same transformation matrix (perhaps a contragradient one).