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SamRoss
Nov24-10, 10:09 PM
Does anyone know a simple derivation that explains why the energy of a wave is proportional to the amplitude squared?

jtbell
Nov24-10, 10:46 PM
Does "simple" allow for calculus?

A wave is a collection of simple harmonic oscillators. The energy of a SHO equals the potential energy at maximum displacement. The PE at maximum displacement is the work done by an external force in pushing the oscillator out from the equilibrium position to maximum displacement. The external force acts against the oscillator's internal force which obeys Hooke's Law F = -kx.

\int_0^A {F(x)dx} = \int_0^A {kx dx} = \frac{1}{2} kA^2

vin300
Nov25-10, 12:02 AM
Why doesn't this work for EM waves ?

Vagn
Nov25-10, 01:47 AM
Why doesn't this work for EM waves ?

Why should it? What constant would you introduce in place of k, bearing in mind that it must have the same unit, and there isn't a spring constant for an EM wave.

SamRoss
Nov25-10, 10:39 AM
\int_0^A {F(x)dx} = \int_0^A {kx dx} = \frac{1}{2} kA^2

Thanks for the quick reply. I was actually thinking of an EM wave, though. Do you know a derivation for that as well?

jtbell
Nov25-10, 10:59 AM
In general, not just in EM waves, the energy density of an electric field E is proportional to E^2, and the energy density of a magnetic field B is proportional to B^2. Introductory textbooks usually derive these by considering the external work it takes to charge up a parallel-plate capacitor so that it has a field E between the plates:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng.html

or to increase the current flowing through a long solenoid (inductor) so it has a field B inside:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indeng.html

SamRoss
Nov25-10, 11:17 AM
cool, thanks

DaleSpam
Nov27-10, 08:01 AM
My favorite site on this topic is:
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node89.html