What is the Minimum Altitude for Ice to Melt and the Best Engine Design?

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The discussion revolves around two physics problems: the first concerns the minimum altitude required for a block of ice to melt upon falling into a lake, and the second involves evaluating different engine designs based on their heat input and efficiency between specified temperatures.

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  • Participants explore the energy required to melt ice and its relation to gravitational potential energy. They also discuss the efficiency of heat engines and how to calculate it based on temperature differences.

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Some participants have offered hints regarding the energy needed to melt ice and the calculation of maximum efficiency for heat engines. There is an ongoing exploration of the first problem, with participants expressing uncertainty about how to approach it.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is a lack of consensus on the first problem, with some participants unsure of the necessary calculations.

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I was running through some problems, doing just fine, until I came across these two. I can't work out a correct solution. :cry:

1) A 1-kg block of ice at 0 C falls into a lake whose water is also at 0 C, and 0.01 kg of the ice melts. What was the minimum altitude from which the ice fell?

2) Three designs for an engine to operate between 450 K and 300 K are proposed. Design A is claimed to require a heat input of 800 J for each 1000 J of work output, design B a heat input of 2500 J, and design C a heat input of 3500J. Which design would you choose and why?
 
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Here are some hints that may help:
(1) How much energy is needed to melt that much ice? Where does that energy come from? (Consider gravitational potential energy.)
(2) What is the maximum possible efficiency of a heat engine operating between those two temperatures?
 
:confused: still can't get 'em
 
Show what you've done so far.
 
For the second, I'm assuming the max efficiency is about .33. So I would choose design B.

I have no clue of what to use for the first problem.
 
Farside said:
For the second, I'm assuming the max efficiency is about .33.
No need to assume it. Calculate it based on the temperatures.
So I would choose design B.
What is the stated efficiency of design B?

I have no clue of what to use for the first problem.
How much energy does it take to melt ice? Hint: [itex]Q = m L_f[/itex], where [itex]L_f[/itex] is the "latent heat of fusion" for water.
 

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