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Abdul Quadeer
Dec9-10, 06:50 AM
1) My book says that we can distinguish between 2 hydroxy butanoic acid (A) and 3 hydroxy butanoic acid (B) by haloform tests. It says that B gives positive haloform test. I am fine with it.
I don't get why A doesnot give positive test as it is also a sec. alcohol .

2)In the base-catalysed hydrolysis of amides, they undergo nucleophilic addition of OH- and finally form acetate.
In hoffmann degradation, we use OH- (of an alkali) where it extracts a proton from the -NH2 group and does not add to the amide.

Why is the action of same OH- different in two cases?

Any help appreciated.

DDTea
Dec9-10, 09:48 AM
1) Regarding the first question: the haloform reaction requires a methyl group to be adjacent to a carbonyl or a secondary alcohol that can be oxidized to a carbonyl. So in alpha-hydroxy butanoic acid, there is no methyl group adjacent to the hydroxyl group. In beta-hydroxy butanoic acid, C-4 is adjacent to the hydroxyl group.

2) I'm speculating a bit here: it sounds like one is the kinetic product (nucleophilic addition) and the other is the thermodynamic product (deprotonation of the amide). I imagine that in practice, the reaction conditions would be tailored to favor one over the other, but that both *could* happen depending on how the hydroxide ion attacks the amide. This is the case with many reactions and is one way that product yields are lowered (competing reactions).

Abdul Quadeer
Dec9-10, 12:02 PM
Thanks DDTea!