Wave eqn with initial functions odd

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of solutions to the wave equation when the initial conditions are defined by odd functions. Participants explore whether the solution remains odd for all time given that both initial functions, u(x,0) and Ut(x,0), are odd functions of x.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if both u(x,0)=φ(x) and Ut(x,0)=ψ(x) are odd functions, then the solution u(x,t) will also be odd for all t.
  • One participant suggests that it needs to be proven that U(x,t)=-U(-x,t) to establish the oddness of the solution.
  • Another participant explains that the general solution of the wave equation consists of two parts, one involving φ(x) and the other involving ψ(x), and both parts will yield odd functions due to the properties of odd functions.
  • It is noted that the first part of the solution involves evaluating φ at two points, which retains the odd function property, while the integral of the odd function ψ over a symmetric range will also yield an odd function.
  • Further elaboration indicates that the combination of these odd functions results in an overall odd function for the solution u(x,t).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the implications of odd functions in the context of the wave equation, but the discussion includes varying levels of detail and understanding regarding the proof of the solution's oddness. No consensus is reached on the necessity of a formal proof.

Contextual Notes

Some participants provide detailed explanations of the properties of odd functions and their implications for the wave equation, while others focus on the need for a formal proof. The discussion does not resolve whether a specific proof is required or if the properties are sufficient to conclude the oddness of the solution.

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If both u(x,0)=φ(x) and Ut(x,0)=ψ(x) are odd functions of x, then the solution to wave equation u(x,t) is odd for all t.

odd means f(x)=- f(-x)

the general solution is
u(x,t)=(1/2)*[φ(x+ct)+φ(x-ct)]+(1/2c)*(integral ψ(s)ds, from x-ct to x+ct)

can anyone help?
 
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if i understand correct, you need to prove that U(x,t)=-U(-x,t)
 


Sure, I can help explain this concept to you. Let's start by breaking down the information given. The wave equation is a mathematical equation that describes the behavior of waves, such as light or sound waves. It is commonly used in physics and engineering to study wave-like phenomena.

The given information states that both the initial function u(x,0) and the initial derivative Ut(x,0) are odd functions of x. An odd function is one in which the function values are symmetric about the origin, meaning that f(x)=-f(-x). In other words, if you were to reflect the graph of an odd function across the y-axis, it would look exactly the same.

Now, let's look at the general solution for the wave equation provided. It has two parts: the first part involves the initial function φ(x) and the second part involves the initial derivative ψ(x).

The first part (1/2)*[φ(x+ct)+φ(x-ct)] is a combination of two terms. The first term, φ(x+ct), represents the displacement of the wave at a point x+ct, while the second term, φ(x-ct), represents the displacement at a point x-ct. Since φ(x) is an odd function, both of these terms will be odd as well.

The second part (1/2c)*(integral ψ(s)ds, from x-ct to x+ct) involves the initial derivative ψ(x). Since ψ(x) is also an odd function, the integral over the range of x-ct to x+ct will be an odd function as well.

Putting these two parts together, we can see that the solution u(x,t) is a combination of two odd functions, which will result in an overall odd function. This means that for any value of t, the solution u(x,t) will still be an odd function of x.

In conclusion, the given information and the general solution for the wave equation show that if both the initial function and initial derivative are odd functions, then the solution to the wave equation will also be an odd function for all values of t. I hope this helps clarify the concept for you.
 


Sure, I can help explain this concept to you. The wave equation is a mathematical equation that describes the behavior of waves, such as sound waves or electromagnetic waves. It is given by the equation Ut(x,t) = c^2Uxx(x,t), where Ut represents the second derivative of U with respect to time, Uxx represents the second derivative of U with respect to space, and c represents the speed of the wave.

Now, let's consider the initial conditions given in the problem: u(x,0) = φ(x) and Ut(x,0) = ψ(x). These initial conditions tell us the value of the function u at time t=0 and the value of its time derivative Ut at time t=0. The key point here is that both φ(x) and ψ(x) are odd functions of x, meaning that they satisfy the property f(x) = -f(-x). In other words, if you reflect the graph of these functions across the y-axis, you will get the exact same graph.

Now, let's think about how this property of odd functions affects the solution to the wave equation. The general solution to the wave equation is given by u(x,t) = (1/2)*[φ(x+ct) + φ(x-ct)] + (1/2c)*[integral ψ(s)ds from x-ct to x+ct]. This solution is a combination of two terms - the first term involves the initial function φ(x) evaluated at two different points (x+ct and x-ct), while the second term involves the integral of the initial function ψ(x) over a certain range.

Since both φ(x) and ψ(x) are odd functions, we know that φ(x+ct) = -φ(-(x+ct)) = -φ(-x-ct) and φ(x-ct) = -φ(-(x-ct)) = -φ(-x+ct). Similarly, the integral of an odd function over a symmetric range will always evaluate to 0. Therefore, the first term in the solution becomes -[(1/2)*φ(-x-ct) + (1/2)*φ(-x+ct)], which simplifies to -[(1/2)*φ(-x+ct) + (1/2)*φ(-x-ct)]. This is just the negative of the original solution, and we know that the negative of an odd function
 

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