Covalent Compound: Max Shared Electrons Between Atoms

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The discussion revolves around the maximum number of shared electrons between two atoms in a covalent compound. Participants explore theoretical limits, specific examples, and the implications of atomic structure on electron sharing, touching on concepts from chemistry and quantum physics.

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  • One participant suggests that the highest number of shared electrons in a covalent bond is four, citing methane (CH4) as an example, while noting exceptions with atoms that have d orbitals, like sulfur in sulfate ion.
  • Another participant argues that strictly between two covalently bound atoms, the maximum is three, although they acknowledge that some metal species may exceed this without being truly covalent.
  • A detailed explanation of electron shells, orbitals, and quantum numbers is provided, discussing how atoms achieve stable configurations through sharing electrons, particularly in common molecules like water (H2O) and oxygen (O2).
  • The explanation includes the concept of double bonds and the sharing of electrons to achieve octets, particularly in diatomic oxygen and ozone (O3).

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Participants express differing views on the maximum number of shared electrons, with no consensus reached. Some emphasize theoretical limits while others provide examples that challenge these limits.

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The discussion includes assumptions about atomic structure and bonding that may not be universally applicable. The complexity of electron sharing in different types of compounds and the role of quantum mechanics in bonding are acknowledged but not fully resolved.

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In covalent compound, what is the most number of shared electron between two atoms?
 
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Hello,

I think you are wondering the highest number of electrons shared between two (or more) atoms bound covalently to each other. Well, since one electron is donated from an atom, and the rest is from the another, the highest possible electron number seems to be four; in methane, CH4, four electrons are provided by four hydrogen atoms, and the rest is from carbon. However, there are some exceptions, especially with atoms having electrons in d orbitals. Sulfur is the best example known. In sulfate ion, O--S(=O)2-O-, there are twelve electrons around the central sulfur atom. As atoms with f electrons do not form any known mostly covalently bonded compounds, this seems to be the highest possible number; here electrons donated by sulfur seems to be six.
 
Strictly speaking, the most that can be between TWO truly covalently bound atoms is 3, I think. There are metal species that have bond orders of greater than 3 however, but I'm not sure that they are truly covalent.
 
Electrons are attracted to protons, but repell electrons. So, instead of all the electrons being bunched up right next to the nucleas, they orbit around the nucleas in shells. These shells can sometimes contain sub-shells. For example, the first shell contains only one sub-shell. As an electron gets further away from it's atom, it must have more "quantum energy." Electrons want to get as close to the nucleas as possible, but according to quantum physics, no to electrons can have the same "quantum energy." So, they orbit in shells. The electrons orbit in orbitals. The sub-shells have orbitals. For example, the 1 shell has an S orbital. Because it's an s orbital and it's the first shell it's labelled 1S. For 1-First shell-, S-S orbital. An S orbital has the shape of a sphere. An orbital wants to fill it's self. Alright, so why would the atom want to have 8 electrons in it's outer most shell, good question. The second shell has two sub-shells. One sub-shell has an S orbital, and the second has three P orbitals. The reason it has three is because they can arrange themselves according to X,Y,Z. Each orbital has only two electrons, because no two electrons can have the same "quantum energy." So, for the valence shell of an atom with two shells, one S orbital and three P orbitals. Two electrons an orbital adds to...8. Hydogen, on the other hand, only has one shell. So, to fill it's valence shell, it only needs two electrons. It already has one - Hydogen = one proton, one electron - so, it only needs to bond with one atom to fill itself. Carbon, on the other hand, has two shells, so it needs 8 to fill it's valence shell. So...

H
H C H Methane! CH4.
H

If you were to count it up everyone's filled. The carbon atom has 6 electrons. 2 in it's first shell, and 4 in it's valence shell. It needs 8 in it's valence shell. So, it shares one with hydrogen, and the hydrogen shares one of the carbons. This gives the carbon an extra electron, and the hydrogen it's desired two. The carbon, then, bonds with three more to add to 8.

HOH Water! H20. Oxygen has six valence electrons, meaning it needs 2 to gain, which it does with 2 hydrogen molecules.

O=O Oxygen! O2.

You're probably wondering, why is there an equals sign between the Oxygen molecules?
This indicated a double bond. Oxygen has six valence electrons, when it bonds with another oxygen, it gets 7. That's not the desired 8. So, it makes a double bond, and they share two electrons each. Which adds to 8.

O
O O Ozone! O3. Each one of these atoms share with each other, making 8.

That's covelant bonding!
This "quantum energy I told you about is somewhat true. What's really true is that there are four "quantum numbers" that cannot match.
The first is N.
N is the energy of an electron. For example, an electron in the first shell would have an N of 1. An electron in the second shell would have an N of 2. An electron in the third shell would have an N of 3.
N=1, means it's in the first shell.
The second is L. It's actually a greek cursive L kind of like this. l. Okay. This sign is the orbital. L = N - 1. That's the equation. So, if N = 1, then, L = 0. 0 is an S orbital.
If N = 2, L can equal either 0 or 1. If it is 1, that's a P orbital. If N = 3, then that can be either 0,1 or 2. An S,P or...a D orbital.
Now, the third quantum number is M. It is the orientation of the orbitals, you know XYZ.
M can equal anything between -L and +L. For example if L is 1, then M can equal -1,0,1.
This is 3 different ways of arranging the P orbital.
Now the final one is Ms. For Spin. The spin of the electron can equal - 1/2 or 1/2.

Okay, so let's look at the possible arrangements of some electrons.

N L M Ms
1 0 0 -1/2
1 0 0 1/2 First shell, only can have two electrons.

2 0 0 -1/2
2 0 0 1/2
2 1 -1 -1/2
2 1 -1 1/2
2 1 0 -1/2
2 1 0 1/2
2 1 1 -1/2
2 1 1 1/2 Second shell, eight electrons, but none of them, nor the one's in the first shell have the same 4 quantum numbers.

HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND. IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO WRITE, I'D HATE TO LOSE IT AT THE LAST MOMENT, LIKE THE POWER SHUT DOWN OR SOMETHING. IF YOU UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THE REST.
HERE'S SOME SITES.

http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/gench...h6/quantum.html

http://lectureonline.cl.msu.edu/~mm...od/electron.htm
 
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