Discover the Relationship Between Escape Speed and Circular Orbit Speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between escape speed and circular orbit speed, specifically exploring the equation Ve = square root(2Vc), where Vc is the speed of an object in a circular orbit just above a planet's surface. Participants engage in theoretical reasoning and mathematical exploration related to gravitational forces and energy concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation relating escape speed and circular orbit speed and seeks assistance in connecting it to gravitational equations.
  • Another participant asks if the original poster knows the formula for potential energy and how it relates to escape energy, suggesting a connection to velocity.
  • A participant confirms that the initial equation provides the circular speed Vc and emphasizes the need for an equation to derive escape velocity Ve for comparison.
  • Potential energy is discussed with reference to the equation U(r) = -GMm/r, noting that potential energy decreases with increasing radius.
  • Escape velocity is described as the speed required to overcome gravity, assuming negligible air friction and leaving orthogonally from the planet's surface.
  • Another participant reiterates the potential energy equation and confirms its correctness, prompting a comparison between Ve and Vc.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the equations presented and the concepts of escape velocity and circular orbit speed, but the discussion remains exploratory without a definitive conclusion on the relationship between the two speeds.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about deriving the escape velocity from the given equations and concepts, indicating a need for further exploration of gravitational energy and velocity relationships.

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Show that the escape speed from a planet is related to the speed of a circulat orbit just above the surface of the planet by Ve = square root(2Vc), where Vc is the speed of an object in the circular orbit.

I'm looking at GMem(object)/r^2 = m(o)v^2/r

But I do not know if this equation will help or how to connect it together with anything else. Any help would be great.
 
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OK, here's some questions that may help us help you

Do you know the formula for the potential energy of an object a distance R away from a planet - and how this relates to the escape energy?

Do you know how to relate energy to velocity, to translate escape energy into escape velocity?
 
First of all, let's agree that the equation you've set up gives Vc, since it simply says that the force of gravity produces the necessary centripetal acceleration for circular motion at distance r.

Hence, what you are lacking, is an equation which yields the escape velocity Ve.
Unless you have that, you cannot compare Vc with Ve!

So, question:
How can you find an equation which can be said to yield Ve?
Post a few of your own thoughts on it, particularly what you think is MEANT with the concept "escape velocity"!
 
Are you talking about U(r) = -GMm/r
The bigger the radius the smaller the potential energy

Ve = square root ( 2GMe/Re) = square root(2gRe)

Is this what you are talking about?
 
escape velocity to me means the speed it takes to overcome gravity (air friction negligible) leaving orthogonal from the surface of the planet
 
starbaj12 said:
Are you talking about U(r) = -GMm/r
The bigger the radius the smaller the potential energy

Ve = square root ( 2GMe/Re) = square root(2gRe)

Is this what you are talking about?
This is correct!
Now compare Ve and Vc!
 
I got it!
Thank you arildno
 

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