Understanding the Properties of EM Waves: Polarization, Coherence, and More

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of electromagnetic (EM) waves, particularly focusing on polarization, coherence, and the nature of photons versus classical EM waves. Participants explore theoretical aspects, conceptual clarifications, and the relationship between photons and EM waves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a single photon travels, whether it is always polarized, and if the electric field orientation is a probability or a fixed direction.
  • Another participant distinguishes between photons and electromagnetic waves, suggesting that photons are massless particles carrying energy and momentum, while EM waves consist of oscillating electric and magnetic fields.
  • A different participant asserts that photons and EM waves are two aspects of the same phenomenon, noting the uncertainty in how photons travel, represented by a probabilistic wave function.
  • A follow-up question is posed about the similarity between the concept of an electromagnetic wave and the probabilistic wave function of unobserved photons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between photons and EM waves, with some asserting they are distinct while others argue they are interconnected. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of photon travel and polarization.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of photons and EM waves, as well as the assumptions about polarization and coherence. The relationship between the electric and magnetic fields in terms of phase is also not fully clarified.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the fundamentals of electromagnetic theory, quantum mechanics, and the nature of light.

JAL
There are many properties of EM Waves that can be seen as some kind of ordered distribution of energy in space and time. I can think of a few:

- Polarization: Direction of the electric field in space.
- Coherence: Some kind of phase relationship

My questions are:
- How does a single photon travel? Is a single photon always polarized?, ie, is the electric field of a photon always in a single direction, does it rotate with time and travel in like a helix or does the orientation of the electric field just a probability?

- Is the electric field in phase with the magnetic field? I found contradicting info on this. See http://www.play-hookey.com/optics/transverse_electromagnetic_wave.html

Thanks you.

JAL
 
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Isn't there a difference between a photon and an electromagnetic wave? I thought a photon was simply a massless(invariant mass)particle that carries energy which is equal to Plank's Constant times the frequency of the CORRESPONDING ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE, and that this particle also carries momentum which is equal to it's energy divided by c, and that an electromagnetic wave's energy was spread through out the whole wave which is made oscillating electric and magnetic fields. The photon isn't made of an oscillating electromagnetic field, is it?
 
Nope, EM wave and photons are the different sides of the same entity of Electromagnetic radiation, AKA light.

Also, my knowledge of QM is rusty on this, but as far as quantum theory exists, we don't know the way in which photons travel between observation as a matter of quantum uncertainty. We know that it is represented by a probabilistic wave function that gives how likely it is to appear in a certain place, which then collapses down to whatever we detect upon measurement.
 
Would what we think as an electromagnetic wave be similar to the probabilistic wave function that each photon has when unobserved?
 

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