Induction & Energy: Rod Moving Down Inclined Surface in Uniform Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a rod moving down an inclined surface within a uniform magnetic field, focusing on the relationship between forces, induced currents, and energy dissipation. Participants explore the application of the work-kinetic energy theorem in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the work done on the rod includes gravitational force, magnetic force, and energy dissipation due to resistance, leading to confusion about the steady state velocity being double the expected value.
  • Another participant questions the existence of a force 'ILB' when there is no current flowing through the rod.
  • A participant asserts that there is an induced current, prompting a request for further guidance.
  • It is noted that without a conducting wire connected across the rod, there will be an induced electromotive force (E.M.F.) but no current.
  • One participant clarifies that the rod forms a circuit, which is essential for the analysis of forces and energy dissipation.
  • Another participant explains that the external forces acting on the rod during its motion with constant velocity result in no change in kinetic energy, aligning with the work-energy theorem, and that the power dissipated in the resistor equals the power due to the weight of the rod at constant velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the presence and role of induced current and the conditions necessary for it to exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these factors on the steady state velocity of the rod.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the circuit formation and the conditions under which induced currents occur. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps required to determine the steady state velocity.

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suppose a rod of mass m and resistance R,is going down the inclined surface in the uniform magnetic field( see figure).
in the steady state the velosity of rod will be constant. if we use the work-kinetic energy theorem,
W= delta K
deltak=0(kinetic energy is constant)
you know W is pertaining to gravity force and magnetic force
and i think W also include dissipation energy in wire namely (i^2)R(deltat)
from this point of view i can't get the correct response for the stady state velocity of rod
(it is double of the correct answer)?!
 

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How is there a force 'ILB' when there is no current through the rod?
 
MR ABDUL QADEER:
there is an inducted current.
please guide me
thanks
 
hokhani said:
there is an inducted current.

Not unless you connect a conducting wire across the rod. If it simply moves on the surface there will be an induced E.M.F. but no current.
 
exuse me
I forgot to say:
it forms a circuit
please guide me now
 
Ok.
If you analyse the external forces acting on the rod during its motion with constant velocity, you will find that the work done by these forces is equal in magnitude but opposite in sign. So they cancel each other giving change in K.E. of rod = 0, which is in accordance with Work-Energy theorem. One can also say that the power dissipated in the resistor equals that due to weight when the velocity of the rod becomes constant.
 

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