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andycampbell1
May3-11, 05:34 AM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Hi

I am doing a maths past paper and I would like some help to understand where part of the solution came from. The part I do not understand is the bit at the end which says tan\alpha = 5\pi/4. It would be great if someone could help me understand where this came from.

The question is

y = sin t - cos t in the form A cos(\omegat+\alpha)


2. Relevant equations



3. The attempt at a solution

The solution is

y=sin t -cos t = A cos(\omegat+\alpha)
= A cos t cos \alpha - A sin t sin \alpha

A cos \alpha = -1
- A sin \alpha = 1

Squaring the above equations and adding side by side implies that A = \sqrt{2}

Dividing the above equations side by side gives

tan \alpha= 1

tan is positive in the first and third quadrant. We choose the third quadrant since from the above equation sin and cos are negative.

Hence \alpha = \pitan-1 = 5\pi/4

y= sin t - cos t = \sqrt{2}cos(t+ 5\pi/4)

What I do not understand is where did 5\pi come from? I have checked my notes and it does not mention anything about where pi comes from.

tiny-tim
May3-11, 06:21 AM
hi andy! :smile:

(have an alpha: α and a pi: π and an omega: ω and a square-root: √ :wink:)

tan(π/4) = tan(45°) = 1

tan(π + x) = tanx, so tan(π + π/4) = 1 also, ie tan(5π/4) = 1 :smile:

andycampbell1
May3-11, 07:26 AM
Thanks. If I was using the cast rule does each quadrant have its own value of pi? I get the first part but I don't get the second line. Sorry ha I'm just hopeless at trigonometry.

atomthick
May3-11, 07:37 AM
Thanks. If I was using the cast rule does each quadrant have its own value of pi? I get the first part but I don't get the second line. Sorry ha I'm just hopeless at trigonometry.

You just said you have chosen the third quadrant therefore pi + pi/4 is the value you are looking for because it's in the third quadrant.

andycampbell1
May3-11, 07:44 AM
I know how to work out what quadrant to put tan in but. I do not know what each quadrant represents in terms of pi. Like u said pi in the 3rd quadrant = pi
+ pi/4. What would the other quadrants wqual

andycampbell1
May3-11, 07:45 AM
I know how to work out what quadrant to put tan in but. I do not know what each quadrant represents in terms of pi. Like u said pi in the 3rd quadrant = pi
+ pi/4. What would the other quadrants equal? The solution I posted came with the past paper I am just trying to make sense of it.

atomthick
May3-11, 07:51 AM
Each quadrant has 90o (or \pi/2 radians). The quadrant ranges are:

First quadrant ranges from 0 to \pi/2
The second from \pi/2 to \pi
The third from \pi to 3\pi/2
The fourth from 3\pi/2 to 2\pi

andycampbell1
May3-11, 08:04 AM
Thanks, from the examples I have the quadrant values make them make sense to me now, thanks for your help.