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Futsal1st
May10-11, 10:41 PM
I understand that thermal conductivity is W/(m.K) and u-factor is W/mē K. Obviously U factor is energy transfer over an area but how does this compare to thermal conductivity?

Mapes
May11-11, 07:51 AM
I understand that thermal conductivity is W/(m.K) and u-factor is W/mē K. Obviously U factor is energy transfer over an area but how does this compare to thermal conductivity?

If the window is a uniform single material, then that material's thermal conductivity is essentially the U factor multiplied by its thickness (ignoring convective effects). But usually windows have internal structure, multiple panes with air gaps, etc., that make the U factor more convenient to use in practice than the thermal conductivity.

Futsal1st
May12-11, 01:29 AM
Thanks for that. So is thermal conductivity multipied by the area of the surface the U Factor (or close as damn to it)?

Mapes
May12-11, 06:34 AM
So is thermal conductivity multipied by the area of the surface the U Factor (or close as damn to it)?

No, that doesn't follow. Check the units: W m-1 K-1 multiplied by m2 doesn't give W m-2 K-1.

Futsal1st
May12-11, 05:47 PM
So is it divide by a unit depth (I assume 1000mm) and multiply by area?

Mapes
May12-11, 09:27 PM
So is it divide by a unit depth (I assume 1000mm) and multiply by area?

What is "it"?

russ_watters
May12-11, 09:49 PM
They are just inverses of each other.

Futsal1st
May12-11, 10:02 PM
So is thermal conductivity divide by a unit depth (I assume 1000mm) and multiply by area = U factor?

kseng
May16-11, 06:01 AM
Conductive heat transfer in one dimension is q=-kAdT/dt.
In chemeng, U is used as a bundling of (various) heat transfer resistances.
Q= U*A*DT
U can be composed of heat transfer resistances due to conduction of various layers of materials and convection eg representing a building wall as inside surface convection, brick/plaster conduction, insulation conduction, and external convection...etc.

U need basic ht trfr understanding - read a basic text on heat transfer.

sophiecentaur
May18-11, 04:40 PM
U factor is a simpler unit because it ignores the thickness of the material. It makes it much easier to add up the heat losses for walls of different construction, windows etc.. It's purely a practical thing.; you look up the tables of U values and add up the various areas of the room and it will tell you the heat input needed to maintain a given temperature difference.
I did this once when estimating how much heating I'd need in my home but ignored to add the losses due to air exchange. I couldn't believe how small the room radiators would need to be. Then I thought again and got a much higher answer. The man who came to give me an estimate for the job just looked and came up with virtually the same figure I'd spent ages calculating.

Norfonz
May18-11, 05:09 PM
I thought k [(W/(m*K)] was used in the case of conduction, while h [(W/(m^2 * K)] accounts for heat transfer due to force convection.

russ_watters
May18-11, 05:24 PM
Whoops, sorry, I was thinking R-value was the same as thermal conductivity. Gotta read better...