Help with Integral: Int(sqrt(a^2sin^2(t)+b^2cos^2(t))dt

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the square root of a quadratic expression involving sine and cosine functions, specifically Int(sqrt(a^2sin^2(t)+b^2cos^2(t))dt from t = 0 to t = 2pi. Participants are exploring methods to evaluate this integral, its relation to the circumference of an ellipse, and the challenges associated with finding an analytical solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance with the integral, expressing familiarity with the solution but focusing on the process of evaluation.
  • Another participant suggests splitting the integral and using trigonometric identities to simplify the evaluation.
  • A different participant challenges the previous suggestion, emphasizing the importance of the square root in the integral and noting that a and b are arbitrary constants.
  • It is mentioned that the integral is related to the circumference of an ellipse, which raises questions about the existence of an analytical solution.
  • One participant proposes that the integral may need to be expressed as an infinite series, reiterating their interest in the process of obtaining the answer.
  • Another participant clarifies that the integral represents the arc length of an ellipse defined by parametric equations, providing the general equation of an ellipse and referencing a historical expression for its circumference.
  • A later reply acknowledges the previous clarification and expresses understanding of the explanation provided.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to evaluate the integral. There are competing views on how to approach the problem, with some suggesting simplifications and others emphasizing the complexities introduced by the square root.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the constants a and b, as well as the applicability of certain mathematical techniques to the integral in question. The discussion also highlights the lack of an analytical solution for the integral as it relates to the circumference of an ellipse.

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Can anyone help me through the following integral? I already know the solution, the process of finding it is what I am concerned with.
(Not sure what the proper notation is for writing this on a forum)

Int(sqrt(a^2sin^2(t)+b^2cos^2(t))dt from t = 0, t = 2pi

I tried simplifying by dividing through with a bcos(t) so the sqrt would be tan^2+1 and so forth. This really didn't get me anywhere, however. All help is appreciated.
 
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Just split the integral in two and use the identities:
sin^2(x)=1/2(1-cos(2x))
cos^2(x)=1/2(1+cos(2x))

or notice that [itex]\int_0^{2\pi}sin^2xdx=\int_0^{2\pi}cos^2xdx[/itex] and use [itex]cos^2x+sin^2x=1[/itex] for a quick evaluation.
 
Thanks for your reply, however, I think your incorrect. First, I didn't mention that a and b are some arbitrary constants. Secondly, the integral isn't a^2sin^2(t)+ b^2cos^2(t), it's the square root of that quantity, so splitting the integral doesn't apply here, I believe. I tried half angle formula's and that didn't seem to get me anywhere, either. By the way, incase anyone is interested, this integral is suppose to yield the circumference of an ellipse.
 
"By the way, incase anyone is interested, this integral is suppose to yield the circumference of an ellipse."

Sure enough, and no one today has found an analytical solution to that problem.
 
Isn't it suppose to be expressed as an infinite series? Like I said earlier, I was looking for the process of how to get that answer.
 
SomeRandomGuy said:
The integral isn't a^2sin^2(t)+ b^2cos^2(t), it's the square root
Ah, I overlooked the 'sqrt' part.

The integral represents the arc length of the curve with parametric equations:
x=acos(t)
y=bsint(t)

Which is, as you said, an ellipse. The parametric equation can be written as an equation in x and y alone:
[tex]\left(\frac{x}{a}\right)^2+\left(\frac{y}{b}\right)^2=1[/tex]
which is the general equation of an ellipse with eccentricity [itex]e=\sqrt{1-\frac{b^2}{a^2}}[/itex].

Exact expressions exists. This one is by MacLaurin (in 1742):
[tex]P=2a\pi\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\left(\frac{-1}{(2n-1)}\right)\left(\frac{(2n)!}{(2^n n!)^2}\right)^2e^{2n}[/tex]
where e is the eccentricity.
 
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Thanks for your reply. That seems to make some sense.
 

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