Primary coil is used to overcome the back e.m.f

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the potential difference (p.d.) supplied to the primary coil of a transformer and the back electromotive force (e.m.f.) generated within it. Participants explore the implications of these concepts for achieving a changing magnetic flux, addressing both alternating current (A.C.) and direct current (D.C.) scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the p.d. supplied to the primary coil is necessary to overcome the back e.m.f. to maintain a changing flux.
  • Others clarify that the p.d. does not have to equal the back e.m.f. at all times, as the supply p.d. creates the back e.m.f., and if they were equal, no current would flow.
  • A participant explains that a varying p.d. is essential for generating a fluctuating flux, while a constant D.C. supply would not produce continuous flux change.
  • Some contributions reference educational materials that suggest the p.d. must equal the back e.m.f. to sustain changing flux, leading to confusion about the accuracy of these statements.
  • One participant questions the assertion that the applied p.d. must equal the back e.m.f. to keep the flux changing, suggesting that a varying supply p.d. inherently results in a varying flux.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the p.d. and back e.m.f., with some asserting a need for equality to maintain flux change, while others argue against this notion. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations present.

Contextual Notes

Some statements made by participants rely on assumptions about ideal conditions, such as perfect efficiency in transformers, which may not hold true in practical scenarios. Additionally, the definitions and implications of p.d. and back e.m.f. are not uniformly agreed upon, leading to potential misconceptions.

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I was told that P.d. supplied to the primary coil is used to overcome the back e.m.f. so that the the flux will keep changing, why is it so?
What happened if the P.d. supplied is different to the back e.m.f.?

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Nb. : P.d. is potential difference, e.m.f. is electromotive force.
 
You must provide an A.C. supply to a transformer to get a changing flux. Otherwise you only get an output when you turn it on or off!
 
Yes, the source is from A.C. supply, and the question is why must the value be equal to the back e.m.f.?

Adrian Baker said:
You must provide an A.C. supply to a transformer to get a changing flux. Otherwise you only get an output when you turn it on or off!
and what does this sentence means? Can u explain it more clearly?

Thx
 
The p.d. of the supply doesn't 'have to be' equal to the back emf - the supply pd creates the back emf. If they were equal at all times, no current would flow!

The sentence above means that unless the supply p.d. is varying, then you won't get a fluctuating flux in the core. You can not generate a pd in the secondary coil without a fluctuating flux.

If you turn on or off a DC supply, the sudden change in current generates a flux in the core. When the DC supply remains connected, current flow is constant, so you get no flux change and no output pd in the secondary coil.
 
Here is the paragraph given by my lecturer,
" P.d. supplied to the primary coil is used to overcome the back e.m.f. (equivalent to action and reaction). Hence, the p.d. sipplied to the primary, V = back e.m.f. "

Here is another paragraph adapted from college physics,
"If the resistance of the primary coil is neglected, this e.m.f. must be equal in magnitude to the external voltage applied to it."

and from understanding physics,
"the changing flux through the primary coil induces a back e.m.f. in the coil, the back e.m.f. opposses the applied p.d. So the applied p.d. must equal the back e.m.f. to keep the flux changing."

So, it seems like the 2nd one is more accurate whereby the 1st and third one will give u misconception, since it would imply no current will actually flow. And the 2nd one will only have current passsing through when there is resistance.
And, the p.d. supplied is not exactly the same as the back e.m.f., it is only approximately.

Am i right?
 
Hmm... It seems that some things are unclear here. As you apply a varying pd to the PRIMARY coil, this generates a changing flux in the Iron core. This changing flux generates a back EMF in the PRIMARY Coil. This emf does oppose the inducing pd as described by Lenz's law. In a perfect world, this back emf would be equal to the applied pd, but as there is no such thing as a perfect (ie 100% efficient) transformer, it is not quite the case.

I don't quite see where the statement "So the applied p.d. must equal the back e.m.f. to keep the flux changing" comes from. If you have a varying supply pd you MUST have a varying flux! Maybe I have missed something here though??
 

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