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AxiomOfChoice
Jul18-11, 12:41 AM
So if you have a countably infinite set \{ x_n \} and consider also the sequence (x_n), what's the relationship between \sup \{ x_n \} and \limsup x_n?
disregardthat
Jul18-11, 06:39 AM
limsup will equal sup if and only there is a subsequence converging to sup. In general sup is always larger or equal to limsup. Both are only well-defined if the sequence is bounded above.
limsup is the largest value for which there is a subsequence converging to it. In other words it's the largest limit point of the sequence. I may be mistaken, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
AxiomOfChoice
Jul18-11, 10:11 AM
limsup will equal sup if and only there is a subsequence converging to sup. In general sup is always larger or equal to limsup. Both are only well-defined if the sequence is bounded above.
limsup is the largest value for which there is a subsequence converging to it. In other words it's the largest limit point of the sequence. I may be mistaken, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
No, this definitely makes sense. I suppose in the case of the sequence 1, 1/2, 1/3, \ldots, we have \sup\limits_n x_n = 1 (since 1 is certainly the least upper bound), but \limsup\limits_{n\to \infty} x_n = 0 (since 0 is the only limit point of this set). Thanks!
disregardthat
Jul18-11, 03:35 PM
No, this definitely makes sense. I suppose in the case of the sequence 1, 1/2, 1/3, \ldots, we have \sup\limits_n x_n = 1 (since 1 is certainly the least upper bound), but \limsup\limits_{n\to \infty} x_n = 0 (since 0 is the only limit point of this set). Thanks!
That seems about right, and no problem.
sponsoredwalk
Jul19-11, 04:54 PM
I found it very clarifying to introduce the idea of a superior number & an inferior number,
as is done in this book (http://books.google.com/books?id=3_7kNMALKSsC&pg=SA1-PA4&dq=superior+number+cauchy&hl=en&ei=EvwlTqX4HIi7hAfl_5COCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-preview-link&resnum=2&ved=0CDEQuwUwAQ#v=onepage&q=superior%20number%20cauchy&f=false). Just have a look at the page above the one that comes up in the link.
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