How to Solve the Infamous x*sec(x) Integration Problem?

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The discussion centers around the integration of the function x * sec(x), exploring various methods and challenges associated with solving this integral. Participants express their struggles with the problem, discuss potential approaches, and share insights on the complexity of the integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration over struggling with the integral for three years and seeks help.
  • Another participant suggests that there is no simple expression for the integral, implying its complexity.
  • A suggestion is made to use the Maclaurin series for sec(x) and integrate term by term as an approximation method.
  • Several participants share the output from an online integral calculator, which provides a complex expression involving logarithms and polylogarithms, but some express confusion over this result.
  • Integration by parts is mentioned as a potential method, but one participant indicates that they have tried this without success and suspects advanced theorems may be necessary.
  • A participant notes that differentiating a complex expression yields x * sec(x), providing some insight into the relationship between the integral and its derivative.
  • Another participant reiterates that the integral cannot be expressed in terms of elementary functions, emphasizing the difficulty of the problem.
  • Concerns are raised about the challenge posed by a school teacher, with one participant expressing frustration over being given such a difficult problem in a school setting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the integral and the notion that it cannot be expressed in simple terms. However, there are differing opinions on the methods to approach the problem, with some suggesting series expansions and others emphasizing the limitations of integration techniques.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the integral may involve advanced mathematical concepts and that the methods discussed may not yield straightforward solutions. There is uncertainty regarding the applicability of various techniques and the nature of the integral itself.

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i am struggling with this problem for 3 years and still not able to think anything how to integrate it.please. anyone tell me how to integrate it.
 
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There's a good reason why you're having trouble with the integral - there is no simple expression for it! :-)
 
Hi ppl,
One suggestion I would make, if the integral is indeed so difficult, is to obtain firstly the maclaurin series for secx, using the binomial expansion of (cosx)^-1 where cosx is also written down as a power series. Then multiply through by x(x*secx) and integrate the x terms one by one to obtain an approximation to this integral. Of course this is only an approximation, yet if all you desire is to work out a definite integral it might prove useful, the indefinite integral is not so straightforward I imagine.
Regards,
Joe
 
Well if you put: x * Sec[x] in to: http://integrals.wolfram.com/ it returns:

[tex]x \left( \log \left[ \frac{1 - ie^{ix}}{1 + ie^{ix}} \right] \right) + i \left( \text{polylog} \left[2, -ie^{ix} \right] - \text{polylog} \left[2, ie^{ix} \right] \right)[/tex]
 
Zurtex said:
Well if you put: x * Sec[x] in to: http://integrals.wolfram.com/ it returns:

[tex]x \left( \log \left[ \frac{1 - ie^{ix}}{1 + ie^{ix}} \right] \right) + i \left( \text{polylog} \left[2, -ie^{ix} \right] - \text{polylog} \left[2, ie^{ix} \right] \right)[/tex]




i could not understand the solution ,how can i solve the question
 
heman said:
i could not understand the solution ,how can i solve the question
What's the question?
 
Zurtex said:
What's the question?





to integrate x*sec(x)
 
Integration by parts, my friend. Here's the formula:

[tex]\int (u)(dv) = (uv) - \int (v)(du)[/tex]

[Pardon the parentheses. I'm new to Tex.]

I'm assuming you know how to do the rest. Integrate, differentiate, complete.
 
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phreak said:
Integration by parts, my friend. Here's the formula:

[tex]\int (u)(dv) = (uv) - \int (v)(du)[/tex]

[Pardon the parentheses. I'm new to Tex.]

I'm assuming you know how to do the rest. Integrate, differentiate, complete.


dear phreak i have tried integration by parts so many times,but nothing is solved.actually,i think some advanced theorem is involved in it.
 
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Quite simply this integration seems to be beyond your ability as well as beyond mine. I had a quick look around to try and explain this better. But the best I can do is say if you differentiate this with respect to x:

[tex]-x \text{arctanh} \left( ie^{-x} \right) + i \left( \text{polylog} \left[2, -ie^{ix} \right] - \text{polylog} \left[2, ie^{ix} \right] \right)[/tex]

You get [itex]x \sec x[/itex].

If it is of any help:

[tex]\text{polylog} (n,z) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{z^k}{k^n}[/tex]

So:

[tex]\text{polylog} (2,z) = \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{z^k}{k^2}[/tex]

Furthermore:

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} \left( \text{polylog} (n,x) \right) = \frac{1}{x} \text{polylog}(n-1,x)[/tex]

And:

[tex]\text{polylog} (1,x) = -\ln (1-x)[/tex]

Best I can do sorry.
 
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please any guru of integration tell me the pathway to this solution.i will be highly thankful.
 
  • #12
How about paying attention to what people HAVE been telling you :
Tide said:
There's a good reason why you're having trouble with the integral - there is no simple expression for it! :-)
.

Like the great majority of integrable functions, the integral of x sec(x) cannot be written in terms of elementary functions.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
How about paying attention to what people HAVE been telling you :
.

Like the great majority of integrable functions, the integral of x sec(x) cannot be written in terms of elementary functions.



actually dear why i am so much worried about these is that my school teacher knows the solution of this problem and he challenged all the guys of school for 2000 bugs and he is sure to pay if anyone brings the soln and if i will come to know, my little finance prob.s will be solved,our school teacher gave it to us when we were in high school.that means that teacher is a fraud becoz he asks such tough questions from studs. of 12th class.i will tell this to him.

even than
thanx for urscoepration and suggesting the pathways.
 

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