Setting up a graph for acc. of gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around setting up a graph for an experiment involving an Atwood machine to determine the acceleration due to gravity. Participants explore how to represent their data graphically, particularly focusing on the appropriate axes to use for plotting acceleration and achieving a slope that corresponds to gravitational acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their experiment with two masses on a pulley and expresses confusion about how to graph their fifteen calculated accelerations to achieve a slope of g.
  • Another participant suggests that if the slope is acceleration, the x-axis should represent either velocity or displacement over time, proposing that plotting displacement vs. time would yield a parabolic graph.
  • A different participant clarifies that they already have acceleration data and are specifically seeking the correct x-axis values to plot against their y-axis of acceleration.
  • One participant realizes they needed to vary the masses for their experiment and acknowledges that using the same two masses for different heights complicates their ability to graph the data effectively.
  • They conclude that acceleration must be a function of (M-m)/(M+m) to yield the correct slope for gravitational acceleration, but express concern about the feasibility of graphing without varying masses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to graph the data effectively, as there is disagreement on the implications of using fixed masses and the correct approach to plotting the data to achieve the desired slope.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the fixed nature of the masses used in the experiment, which restricts the ability to create a meaningful x-axis for the graph. There is also an acknowledgment of potential errors in the experimental setup that may affect the results.

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Hi, I'm having a bit of a problem with an experiment I recently did. Basically I had two objects on a pulley (let's say masses M and m, M being the heavier object), at five different heights. I released the objects three times for each height. I then calculated the acceleration for each separate time. Thus I made fifteen data points (fifteen accelerations for each time interval).

Now, here is the problem. I need to set up a graph with fifteen data points, and a slope of g . I already know the value of g(the slope) will NOT be 9.81 m/s^2. According to my data it will be roughly in the range of 8 m/s^2 (estimated). This is due to reaction time and other outside influences distorting the data, since it is not a perfect experiment in ideal conditions.

The y-axis must be acceleration, right? What will the x-axis be? I got a hint that it should be (M-m)/(M+m). This seems to be a valid method, because I get a reasonable value dividing acceleration by that. However, I only have those two masses, so if I graph my points I will get a vertical line. The masses do not change, thus the x-axis will only have one value. I obviously need a diagonal line in order to get a slope of g .

Basically my big question is, what values do I assign the x-axis in order to get a slope of g ? I have the height, time, final velocity, and acceleration. ANY help would be appreciated!
 
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If the slope of your line is supposed to be acceleration, then the plot axis must be velocity or displacement, and time. If you plot displacement vs time your graph will be parabolic. Average velocity vs time is the more likely quantity to plot. It would be easy to get (displacement/time) and will yield a linear plot with slope of g.
 
I'm sorry but I think there's a little misunderstanding :). I already HAVE the acceleration taken from average velocity vs time. I did as you suggested and did v/t and d/t, but neither gives the right slope. I may have totally missed something, but I don't get it.

What I have are fifteen different accelerations of the pulley system, derived from three time intervals for each height. I have a, but I need gravitational acceleration. Acceleration of the pulley system needs to be on the y-axis, but what I'm confused about is the x-axis. What value goes on it? The linear plot will have a slope of g. The only thing that I know of that works for one data point is (M-m)/(M+m). For instance a=0.6227 m/s^2, M=16.31 g, and m=13.92 g. Thus g is about 7.876 m/s^2. However, I need values for the x-axis, and I only have those two masses.

I need further explanation :)
 
I'll try and clear this up a bit more. The whole experiment is working with an Atwood device. I just realized that I totally messed up in one area. In this experiment I needed to variate the masses, which I forgot to do. Thus, I have the same two masses for each different height.

So, when I tried to graph the data, it failed because acceleration has to be a function of (M-m)/(M+m). A graph of the measured acceleration as a function of (M-m)/(M+m) yields the acceleration due to gravity as the slope. Basically the y-axis is acceleration and the x-axis is (M-m)/M+m), giving a slope of g which I'm trying to get. That's the answer! Does this make sense now? I hope this sounds logical.

Since I don't have more masses to do the x-axis on the graph, is it impossible to graph this? I've spent hours trying to find an alternative. Does anyone have an idea?

Integral, thanks for trying to help. I suppose I sounded a bit confusing, huh? :)
 

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