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The discussion revolves around the insertion of LaTeX formulas in forum threads and the interpretation of imaginary numbers in spin matrices, particularly in the context of quantum mechanics and representation theory.

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  • One participant asks how to insert LaTeX formulas into threads and seeks clarification on the meaning of imaginary numbers in spin matrices.
  • Another participant provides a method for finding LaTeX source code in existing threads and questions the mention of complex numbers.
  • A detailed explanation is given regarding the representation of vectors and matrices, discussing the transformation laws under rotations and the relationship between SU(2) and SO(3). The role of imaginary numbers in the context of Lie groups and algebras is also elaborated.
  • The explanation includes the concept of antihermitean generators and the convenience of using imaginary numbers for manipulating expressions in quantum mechanics.
  • Further discussion touches on the duality of matrices and vectors, particularly in the context of Dirac and Pauli matrices, highlighting their roles in both spin and Lorentz transformations.
  • A later reply expresses the participant's lack of familiarity with the discussed concepts, indicating a need for further understanding of the formalism of quantum mechanics.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the technical aspects of the discussion, with some providing detailed explanations while others indicate confusion or a lack of familiarity with the concepts. No consensus is reached on the interpretation of imaginary numbers or the implications of the discussed mathematical frameworks.

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hi there
I am new here. Could some one tell me how to insert Latex formulas into the threads?

About spin matrices:
we get imanary no. in these matrices.

Let's say we have S= n1.sx + n2.sy +n3.sz showing us the magnitude in each component (sx, sy, sz are the spin matrices/vectors). What does it show us? How should we interprete the imaginary no.?
 
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1.Go to a thread where u can find latex formulas written.Click on one of them and u'll be opened a window in which u find the "sourse code" for that formula.Below it there's a link to the webpage (pdf file which can be downloaded) in which,basically on 4 pages,u are explained how to write tex.

2.What complex number??
 
jet10 said:
Let's say we have S= n1.sx + n2.sy +n3.sz showing us the magnitude in each component (sx, sy, sz are the spin matrices/vectors). What does it show us? How should we interprete the imaginary no.?
You seem not to take the difference between matrices and vector not too seriously. This is a big issue. Consider say a 3-vector (ordinary vector). How do you define such an object ? Usually by giving its transformation law under the rotations. This is equivalent to saying you deal with a certain representation of [tex]SO(3)[/tex].

Alternatively, one can represent such a three vector using a hermitean, traceless 2x2 matrix. This is related to the fact that [tex]SU(2)[/tex] is the covering group of [tex]SO(3)[/tex]. The usual rotation of such a matrix is a unitary transformation. Now the reason for the imaginary numbers is the following : when passing from a Lie group to its algebra, the usual convention is [tex]g=\exp^{\imath G}=\exp^{\imath \alpha^iG_i}[/tex] where [tex]g[/tex] is in the group and [tex]G[/tex] is in the algebra. The [tex]\alpha^i[/tex]s are the coordinates in the [tex]G_i[/tex] basis. The fact that we actually obtain an algebra can be seen as [tex]\exp^{A}\exp^{B}=\exp^{A+B+\frac{1}{2}[A,B]+\cdots}[/tex] where [tex]\cdots[/tex] contain commutators of commutators, commutators of commutators of commutators...
so by the very definition of what generators are, we can infer the fact that the commutator of two generators is a linear combination of the generators : the algebra "closes". In the case of [tex]SO(3)[/tex] we have antisymmetric structure constants : [tex][G_i,G_j]=-\imath\epsilon_{ij}^kG_k[/tex]. Now the punchline : we actually can make the [tex]\imath[/tex] disappear by absorbing it into the generator :
If [tex]G\rightarrow -\imath G[/tex] then [tex]g=\exp^{G}[/tex] and [tex][G_i,G_j]=\epsilon_{ij}^kG_k[/tex]. But then the generators are antihermitean !

For instance, for translation, we can set [tex]P_i=\partial_i[/tex] and for rotations [tex]J_{ij}=x_{[i}\partial_{j]}[/tex] since anyway the [tex]\imath[/tex] is doomed to be canceled eventually.

I think there is not much more into the [tex]\imath[/tex] than convenience for manipulating expressions. In the case of spacetime symmetries it is legitimate to eliminate the [tex]\imath[/tex] from the definition and use antihermitean generators. In the case of internal symmetries, it seems more convenient to keep hermitean generators. Also, complex Lie algebra are nice to use, whereas real Lie algebras require more care (just as real polynomials are not as nice to factorize as complex polynomials).

Again about the vector/matrix "duality" : the [tex]\gamma_\mu[/tex] matrices of Dirac are both spin matrices and (one single) Lorentz vector (the set of Dirac matrices is a vector. Each component of the vector is a matrix). They are the link between Lorentz and spin indices.
Also in the case of Pauli matrices for the fundamental [tex]SU(2)[/tex], the 3-vector "duality" previously mentionned is explicitely

[tex](V)_{\alpha\dot{\beta}}=\left( \begin{array}{cc}V_+,V_1^*\\V_1,V_-\end{array} \right) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( \begin{array}{cc}V_0+V_1,V_2-\imath V_3\\V_2+\imath V_3,V_0-V_1\end{array} \right) =V_a (\sigma^a)_{\alpha\dot{\beta}}[/tex]
and in that case also, the Pauli [tex]\sigma[/tex] matrices are (the three components of) a 3-vector (even though each component is a matrix).

EDIT : in the last formula, one should set [tex]V_0 = 0[/tex] for a three vector. This form displayed also works with 4-vectors.
 
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Thanks. I think I am not far enough to understand what it really means. I am just beginning to understand the formalism of QM. I am not familiar with terms [tex]SO(3)[/tex] and Lie groups. I will read your answer again later, when I am more acquainted with them. :smile:
 

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