Photon had a non-zero rest mass, based on measured helicity values?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of determining whether a photon has a non-zero rest mass based on measured helicity values. It touches on concepts from particle physics, particularly in relation to helicity and chirality in quantum field theory (QFT).

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Main Points Raised

  • Ray questions how helicity measurements could indicate a non-zero rest mass for photons.
  • Marlon explains that in QFT, massless particles like photons have distinct chirality values and do not interact with the Higgs field, leading to the conclusion that they are always massless.
  • Ray references the parity violation in the weak interaction, noting that participating fermions predominantly exhibit negative helicity states, and proposes a similar argument for deducing a photon's helicity.
  • Marlon acknowledges Ray's understanding and suggests that his reasoning about helicity is on the right track.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the massless nature of photons in the context of QFT and helicity, but the discussion remains exploratory without a definitive conclusion on the implications of helicity measurements for a photon's rest mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with QFT concepts, and there are assumptions about the applicability of helicity arguments to photons that remain unexamined.

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Students and individuals interested in particle physics, particularly those studying helicity, chirality, and the properties of photons in quantum field theory.

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Hi, got an exam tomorrow for particle physics and need a question answered concerning helicity.

How would it be possible to determine if a photon had a non-zero rest mass, based on measured helicity values?

Thanks
Ray
 
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rayveldkamp said:
Hi, got an exam tomorrow for particle physics and need a question answered concerning helicity.

How would it be possible to determine if a photon had a non-zero rest mass, based on measured helicity values?

Thanks
Ray

Well, restmass (which is always referred to as just mass, so don't bother to make the distinction :wink: ) mixes up the two different possible chiralities. This is a result of the famous "tau-theta-puzzle" in QFT. To make a long story short : in QFT all elementary particles are massless because the two chiralities each correspond to a different kind of fundamental "particle-property". I mean, in QFT particles are classified based upon their chirality because a left handed chiral particle does not behave in the same way as a right hand chiral particle. So mass has to be zero (before the spontaneous breakdown of symmetry) because otherwise one particle possesses the TWO chiralities at once (because of the mass-term in the Lagrangian) and thus it is NOT fundamental. So basically photons are always massless because they do not interact with the Higgs-field. They contain a distinct chirality-value and thus not different values for ONE photon. Just look at the V-A-current in the elektroweak-theory : only left handed fermions (or right handed anti-fermions) are involved in weak charged currents.


regards
marlon
 
OK, i understand the your point, but I am only in second year undergraduate physics at university so we haven't covered a lot of QFT. Basically due to parity violation for the Weak Interaction, participating fermions are emitted and absorbed predominantly in negative helicity states (and positive for anti-fermions), the probability a fermion's in a negative helicity state can be found by

P=0.5(1+v/c) where v is the particle's speed
and for a fermion in a positive helicity
P=0.5(1-v/c)

So from here i see that a massless particle has zero probability of being in a positive helicity. I am just wondering if this same argument can be used to deduce a photon's helicity.
Thanks
Ray
 
You are correct...it is going to be something like that...

marlon
 
Thanks for that, feeling a bit relieved for tomorrow's exam now!

Regards
Ray
 
good luck man...

marlon
 

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