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kakarukeys
Nov18-04, 07:06 AM
In real number, only zero multiplies itself to become zero.
Can a non-zero matrix multiply itself to become zero matrix?
equivalent question: Can the row space of a matrix be orthogonal to the column space?

I'm sorry if the question looks stupid.

Muzza
Nov18-04, 07:12 AM
Yeah, an example is:


(1 -1/2)
(2 -1)
.

jcsd
Nov18-04, 08:18 AM
Yep this is an example of a nilpotent (xn = 0 for some n) element of a ring (iu this case the ring of 2 x 2 matrices) and hence a zero divisor.

kakarukeys
Nov18-04, 08:27 AM
Thanks
I also found that if we restrict ourselves to symmetric matrices (Hermitian matrices in complex case).
No such matrix can be found.

Greg Bernhardt
Nov20-04, 08:35 PM
No, based upon the definition of multiplication, the only way to have a product of zero is if one of the factors are zero. ie. if both factors are non-zero, the product must be non-zero.

Muzza
Nov21-04, 04:12 AM
No, based upon the definition of multiplication, the only way to have a product of zero is if one of the factors are zero. ie. if both factors are non-zero, the product must be non-zero.


You must've missed the part where kakarukeys said this was about matrices.

jcsd
Nov21-04, 11:02 AM
No, based upon the definition of multiplication, the only way to have a product of zero is if one of the factors are zero. ie. if both factors are non-zero, the product must be non-zero.

I think that's true for fields, but it's not true for rings in general, infact a non-zero memenber of a ring that has the property of being (right) multiplied by some other non-zero member to give zero is called a zero divisor.